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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Sibi Siddharthan <sibisiddharthan.github@gmail.com>
Cc: Konstantin Tokarev <annulen@yandex.ru>,
	Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Danh Doan <congdanhqx@gmail.com>,
	Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	"git\@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git
Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 23:16:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqwo5qc3ec.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKiG+9Xu+eeET1Y3hFJTSpofxBCWEvwjyaY0cjFbKptzYLACNw@mail.gmail.com> (Sibi Siddharthan's message of "Tue, 5 May 2020 09:46:09 +0530")

Sibi Siddharthan <sibisiddharthan.github@gmail.com> writes:

> Yes, this is trivial, but doing so is bad practice in general and
> difficult to maintain.

Can you substantiate "bad" and "difficult" in the above sentence?

They are so subjective words and sounds more of your "opinion" than
generally accepted "fact".

> Won't it be better just to copy the CMakeLists.txt to the root
> directory for configuring.

I do not know it is better or not compared to using directly from a
subdirectory.  But it is easy to see that it is a bad practice to
keep the source of truth in contrib/cmake/CMakeLists.txt and use it
by copying it to the top of the working tree.  

The reason would be obvious once you imagine what happens when those
who are helping to improve CMake support find that they need to make
changes.  It is too easy to edit the one they copied to the top of
the working tree until they manage to get it working, and then
forget to copy it back to contrib/cmake/ before committing the
change [*1*].

Compared to that, the way Konstantin showed, which is just to be at
the top of the working tree and run the cmake command with a single
argument, which is the path to the CMakeList.txt file, looked quite
simple and straight-forward to an untrained eye that hsan't seen a
real use of CMake.  But there must be reasons, coming from lessons
learned by using CMake with a CMakeList.txt file in a subdirectory
and suffering the consequences of doing so, that makes you say it is
a bad practice and difficult to maintain.  It needs to be spelled
out to help those who do not know CMake understand.

Thanks.


[Footnote]

*1* Creating a symlink CMakeLists.txt at the top of the working tree
that points into contrib/cmake/CMakeLists.txt (and it needs to be
done only once) would avoid such a problem, but if your filesystem
does not let you use a symlink, copying a skeletal CMakeLists.txt
that nobody is expected to modify to the top of the working tree
might be an acceptable workaround.  The sole purpose of that
skeletal CMakeLists.txt at the top of the working tree would be to
include the "real" thing in contrib/cmake/ directory (I am assuming
that CMake is capable of including a CMakeLists.txt file that exists
elsewhere in another CMakeLists.txt file).

With either of these arrangements, it is much less likely for the
user to accidentally edit a "wrong" copy and forgets to update the
real thing---the real thing stored in contrib/cmake will be the only
one that would be edited.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-05  6:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-24  4:01 [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git on Linux Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:05   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:06     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 22:56       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-25  3:50         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 13:34     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 17:07   ` brian m. carlson
2020-04-25 17:36     ` Randall S. Becker
2020-04-25 18:01       ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 18:11     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:19   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:19     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:23   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:24     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:28   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:26     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:34   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:32     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 23:09       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-25  3:57         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:39   ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-24 20:29     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 11:37       ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 12:09         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:39   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:35     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24  4:01 ` [PATCH 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-04-24 17:45   ` Danh Doan
2020-04-24 21:41     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 21:44     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-24 18:56 ` [PATCH 0/8] CMake build system for git Junio C Hamano
2020-04-24 19:50   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-24 21:43     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-25  4:09       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 12:56         ` Philip Oakley
2020-04-25 13:29           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:12             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 14:28               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:38                 ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 14:49                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-25 14:57                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-26  0:41                       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-26  4:30                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-25 12:24       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-27 20:08         ` Jeff King
2020-04-27 20:12           ` Jeff King
2020-04-28 13:52             ` Danh Doan
2020-04-28 21:07               ` Jeff King
2020-04-29  8:42                 ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-01 19:32                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-02 14:31                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-02 14:58                       ` Randall S. Becker
2020-05-02 15:48                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-03 15:33                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-03 17:21                           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-03 19:42                             ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-05-03 19:50                               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-04 14:31                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-04 21:59                                 ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-05-05  4:16                                   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-05  6:16                                     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2020-05-05 16:23                                       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-05 18:17                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-06 18:43                                           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-07 11:48                                             ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-06 21:27                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-07 20:54                                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-02 13:21                   ` Danh Doan
2020-05-02 14:50                     ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-02 15:02                       ` Danh Doan
2020-05-02 15:16                         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-04-27 21:17           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-27 21:56             ` Michal Suchánek
2020-04-27 22:09             ` Jeff King
2020-04-27 22:23               ` Elijah Newren
2020-04-27 23:16                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-28  5:36                 ` Jeff King
2020-05-12 16:50 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] " Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 01/11] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git on Linux Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 20:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:21       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 02/11] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:19     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:07       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 03/11] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 04/11] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 05/11] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 06/11] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-14 15:25     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-14 18:27       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 07/11] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 08/11] cmake: added checks for struct stat and libiconv Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:16     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:05       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-14  2:00         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-14 15:31     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-14 18:31       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 09/11] cmake: relocated script file contrib/buildsystems Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:09     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 20:08       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 10/11] cmake: parse the makefile for the sources Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:03     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 19:57       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-13 20:23         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-12 16:50   ` [PATCH v2 11/11] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-12 21:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-13 19:45       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 19:16         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 20:03           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-25 20:56             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-25 21:40               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-29 13:40   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 19:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30 18:50         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-31 16:17           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30  8:00             ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-05-30 13:17       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 19:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-30 18:56         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-08 20:07           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-08 22:10             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 13:49       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:04         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-31  1:28           ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 14:08       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:08         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-05-29 13:40     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-05-30 14:14       ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-05-30 19:13         ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29     ` [PATCH v4 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:00         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 20:04           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:02         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:45           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:03         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:47           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18  4:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-18 19:55               ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18 20:08                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-18 20:40                   ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-18 21:00                     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-19 17:15                       ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-19 17:29                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-15 14:04         ` Øystein Walle
2020-06-15 19:56           ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-12 18:29       ` [PATCH v4 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11       ` [PATCH v5 0/8] CMake build system for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 1/8] Introduce CMake support for configuring Git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 2/8] cmake: generate the shell/perl/python scripts and templates, translations Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 3/8] cmake: installation support for git Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 4/8] cmake: support for testing git with ctest Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 5/8] cmake: support for testing git when building out of the source tree Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 6/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with mingw Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-30  7:25           ` David Aguilar
2020-07-01 17:45             ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-07-01 17:49               ` Sibi Siddharthan
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 7/8] cmake: support for building git on windows with msvc and clang Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget
2020-06-26 16:11         ` [PATCH v5 8/8] ci: modification of main.yml to use cmake for vs-build job Sibi Siddharthan via GitGitGadget

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