From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EE71F55B for ; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726669AbgFJWsK (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:48:10 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com ([173.228.157.52]:51645 "EHLO pb-smtp20.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726301AbgFJWsJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:48:09 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5EEDD44F; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:48:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=8HTIQwM7qdmfjWNjPYpI6SsBgsQ=; b=gKRZqG 1Xn+iUS1vd9jdmDwl2+jPKkKBAi8BN/JPGgJZGbGXRjcot4/q3VmMDsJeROIcfRg 1gY6GCpc8ELtg8YRMwOtQm7e+5xftm4Hg8BBzEZKBgX5hoWBHNiLOWB1p+xKy+c/ es9Vk3ORnV7YpK/HATdgPhaTTFFxw4a5KvPl8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=ioBqGjcF46YFdNB1vMIj8sQzfJXCzrYt oOjr/krPCZARpsvyEU57BBActCnK924TtEdwfsIvdETlI3gBfz2qzL7KW/PULia2 Y/j4rpZaJAW2dljoJkPXrhtKRzEtcWGwL1tVIEi/9gvd7noBWOqfSdaA+dnUi6i2 nzG/6ThKWDQ= Received: from pb-smtp20.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971FFDD44E; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:48:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [35.231.104.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DEF53DD44B; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:48:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Emily Shaffer Cc: Johannes Schindelin , "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters , Don Goodman-Wilson , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Virtual Inclusion Summit References: <20200610222719.GE148632@google.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:48:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20200610222719.GE148632@google.com> (Emily Shaffer's message of "Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:27:19 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 72378D10-AB6C-11EA-AA23-B0405B776F7B-77302942!pb-smtp20.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Emily Shaffer writes: > One note I'd like to make is that the Git community already suffers from > a lack of diversity; it will be hard for us to make meaningful changes > if just those of us who already contribute attend, because many of us - > myself included! - come from privilege and don't have much or any > firsthand experience with microaggressions (or overt discrimination). I > think it's a good idea to expand the attendance of this summit beyond > the current contributor base and try to include more diverse voices and > experts in building inclusive products. > > To that end, I'm going to see what kind of interested parties we can > find to invite within Google - and I hope others will do the same within > their own network. I think the risk of us coming up with meaningless > changes far outweighs the risk of us having too many people in the Zoom > call. :) It is OK to have an optional meeting in the hope that a video meeting may have a better chance to keep those who easily become too aggressive and confrontational in text-only conversation in check and instead have civilized conversation. But I am not sure if it is a good idea to call such a meeting a "Summit", given that there are those who prefer not to be seen, heard or recorded how they appear and how they sound in a video conference. They would not be able to join the conversation held in such a "Summit" held only by those who are privileged enough to be able to attend. Thanks.