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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Rubén Justo" <rjusto@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	 Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Git List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Phillip Wood <phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk>,
	 Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] add-patch: response to unknown command
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 22:39:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqwmokbs3p.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <305296f1-975b-41b9-968c-3984d8056196@gmail.com> ("Rubén Justo"'s message of "Fri, 26 Apr 2024 01:46:38 +0200")

Rubén Justo <rjusto@gmail.com> writes:

> The current options are:
>
> 	a.- make the test check for stderr and stdout, separatedly

There is a downside that we do not check what the users would see,
as I mentioned in an earlier message.

> 	b.- fflush(stdout) in err
>
> 	c.- make err print to stdout

Yup.  The last one is what I showed in the thread.

> I suspect that similar tests for other commands would produce similar
> errors, so (a) seems like an easy fix but feels like kicking the can
> forward.
>
> I'm not sure of the implications of (c).  Perhaps moving current
> messages to stdout breaks some workflow out there?  The other thread
> about disabling all hints has made me think.

That depends on "other" commands.  As Phillip said, "git add -p" and
the like that interacts with the end user via terminal, using a
single stream, whether it is the standard error stream or the
standard output stream, should not affect any end-user experience.
It is very unlikely people capture only one stream and feed it to a
program, and with i18n, these messages are not even designed for
machine consumption in the first place.

> The (b) option seems to me the less disturbing change

Sticking close to the status quo would certainly _feel_ the safest
at least in the shorter term.

But given that there is not really a reasonable justification why
some output goes to the standard output stream while others go to
the standard error stream in this program (note that I am
specifically talking about the terminal interactive session with
"add -p"), the approach will force us to worry about similar gotchas
and we need to decide which stream the message needs to go every
time we add a new one.

> but it has not attracted attention.

I think the same reasoning from the old thread that made us avoid
the "flush() and keep writing to two streams" in the worktree code
would apply here, too.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-26  5:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-15 19:00 [PATCH] add-patch: response to invalid option Rubén Justo
2024-04-16  5:51 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-16 19:11   ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-16  9:41 ` phillip.wood123
2024-04-16 19:24   ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-17  9:37     ` phillip.wood123
2024-04-17 15:05       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-18 15:11         ` phillip.wood123
2024-04-16 10:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-16 13:56   ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-16 15:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-16 15:46       ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-16 16:10         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-16 19:31   ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-20 11:08 ` [PATCH v2] add-patch: response to invalid command Rubén Justo
2024-04-20 17:53   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-21  9:51   ` [PATCH v3] add-patch: response to unknown command Rubén Justo
2024-04-21 13:18     ` phillip.wood123
2024-04-21 19:37       ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-21 21:52     ` [PATCH v4] " Rubén Justo
2024-04-22 15:50       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-24 10:15         ` phillip.wood123
2024-04-24 15:35           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-29  9:48             ` Phillip Wood
2024-04-29 16:09               ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-25  1:44       ` Jeff King
2024-04-25  2:15         ` Eric Sunshine
2024-04-25 20:23           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-25 21:00             ` Eric Sunshine
2024-04-25 21:13               ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-25 21:05             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-25 22:09               ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-25 22:16                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-25 23:46                   ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-26  5:39                     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2024-04-26 16:26                     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-26 20:21           ` Jeff King
2024-04-25  3:04         ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-26 20:23           ` Jeff King
2024-04-26 20:41             ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-25  8:53         ` phillip.wood123
2024-04-29 18:35       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " Rubén Justo
2024-04-29 18:37         ` [PATCH v5 1/2] add-patch: do not show UI messages on stderr Rubén Justo
2024-04-29 19:24           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-30 10:52             ` Jeff King
2024-04-30 16:35               ` Rubén Justo
2024-04-30 17:17                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-30 17:11               ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-30 14:47           ` phillip.wood123
2024-04-30 16:38             ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-01 15:39               ` phillip.wood123
2024-05-01 16:14                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-01 21:13                   ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-02 16:38                     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-04-29 18:37         ` [PATCH v5 2/2] add-patch: response to unknown command Rubén Justo

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