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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com>
Cc: "Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Stefan Beller" <sbeller@google.com>,
	"Thomas Gummerer" <t.gummerer@gmail.com>,
	"Stefan Xenos" <sxenos@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/14] checkout: split into switch-branch and restore-files
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:14:32 +0900
Message-ID: <xmqqtvjsen3r.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACsJy8BTs+WKzTTEF2XVTT-LVJk_exYCz_hN+hXU1Dw+oquBpA@mail.gmail.com> (Duy Nguyen's message of "Tue, 4 Dec 2018 17:21:37 +0100")

Duy Nguyen <pclouds@gmail.com> writes:

>> My single biggest worry about this whole series is that I'm worried
>> you're perpetuating and even further ingraining one of the biggest
>> usability problems with checkout: people suggest and use it for
>> reverting/restoring paths to a previous version, but it doesn't do
>> that:
>
> ...
>
>  git restore-files --from=master~10 Documentation/

The "single biggest worry" could be due to Elijah not being aware of
other recent discussions.  My understanding of the plan is

 - "git checkout" will learn a new "--[no-]overlay" option, where
   the current behaviour, i.e. "take paths in master~10 that match
   pathspec Documentation/, and overlay them on top of what is in
   the index and the working tree", is explained as "the overlay
   mode" and stays to be the default.  With "checkout --no-overlay
   master~10 Documentation/", the command will become "replace paths
   in the current index and the working tree that match the pathspec
   Documentation/ with paths in master~10 that match pathspec
   Documentation/".

 - "git restore-files --from=<tree> <pathspec>" by default will use
   "--no-overlay" semantics, but the users can still use "--overlay"
   from the command line as an option.

So "restore-files" would become truly "restore the state of
Documentation/ to match that of master~10", I would think.

>> Also, the fact that we're trying to make a simpler command makes me
>> think that removing the auto-vivify behavior from the default and
>> adding a simple flag which users can pass to request will allow this
>> part of the documentation to be hidden behind the appropriate flag,
>> which may make it easier for users to compartmentalize the command and
>> it's options, enabling them to learn as they go.
>
> Sounds good. I don't know a good name for this new option though so
> unless anybody comes up with some suggestion, I'll just disable
> checkout.defaultRemote in switch-branch. If it comes back as a new
> option, it can always be added later.

Are you two discussing the "checkout --guess" option?  I am somewhat
lost here.

>> > +-f::
>> > +--force::
>> > +       Proceed even if the index or the working tree differs from
>> > +       HEAD.  This is used to throw away local changes.
>>
>> Haven't thought through this thoroughly, but do we really need an
>> option for that instead of telling users to 'git reset --hard HEAD'
>> before switching branches if they want their stuff thrown away?
>
> For me it's just a bit more convenient. Hit an error when switching
> branch? Recall the command from bash history, stick -f in it and run.
> Elsewhere I think both Junio and Thomas (or maybe only Junio) suggests
> moving the "git reset" functionality without moving HEAD to one of
> these commands, which goes the opposite direction...

Isn't there a huge difference?  "checkout --force <other-branch>"
needs to clobber only the changes that are involved in the switch,
i.e. if your README.txt is the same between master and maint while
Makefile is different, after editing both files while on master, you
can not "switch-branch" to maint without doing something to Makefile
(i.e. either discard your local change or wiggle your local change
to the context of 'maint' with "checkout -m").  But you can carry
the changes to README.txt while checking out 'maint' branch.
Running "git reset --hard HEAD" would mean that you will lose the
changes to README.txt as well.

>> > +--orphan <new_branch>::
>> > +       Create a new 'orphan' branch, named <new_branch>, started from
>> > +       <start_point> and switch to it.  The first commit made on this
>>
>> What??  started from <start_point>?  The whole point of --orphan is
>> you have no parent, i.e. no start point.  Also, why does the
>> explanation reference an argument that wasn't in the immediately
>> preceding synopsis?
>
> I guess bad phrasing. It should be "switch to <start_point> first,
> then prepare the worktree so that the first commit will have no
> parent". Or something along that line.

It should be a <tree-ish>, no?  It is not a "point" in history, but
is "start with this tree".

I may have more comments on this message but that's it from me for
now.

  parent reply index

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-10 13:35 [PATCH/RFC] checkout: print something when checking out paths Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-12  6:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-12 16:27   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-12 20:15     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-19 13:08     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-19 15:19       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-20  2:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-20 17:45         ` [RFC] Introduce two new commands, switch-branch and restore-paths Duy Nguyen
2018-11-25 22:20           ` Thomas Gummerer
2018-11-26  3:03             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-26 15:37               ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-26 16:00           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-26 16:08             ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-26 23:10             ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-27  0:34               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-27 16:52           ` [PATCH/RFC v2 0/7] Introduce new commands switch-branch and checkout-files Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-27 16:52             ` [PATCH v2 1/7] parse-options: allow parse_options_concat(NULL, options) Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-27 19:43               ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-28 15:22                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-28  4:47               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-27 16:52             ` [PATCH v2 2/7] checkout: make "opts" in cmd_checkout() a pointer Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-27 16:52             ` [PATCH v2 3/7] checkout: move 'confict_style' to checkout_opts Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-27 19:50               ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-27 16:52             ` [PATCH v2 4/7] checkout: move dwim_new_local_branch " Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-27 19:52               ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-27 16:52             ` [PATCH v2 5/7] checkout: split options[] array in three pieces Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29  6:29               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-27 16:52             ` [PATCH v2 6/7] checkout: split into switch-branch and checkout-files Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-28  6:03               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-28 15:30                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-28 19:08                   ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-28 19:18                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-29  5:55                     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-28 23:22                   ` Stefan Xenos
2018-11-28 23:26                     ` Stefan Xenos
2018-11-28 23:37                       ` Stefan Xenos
2018-11-29  5:59                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-29 15:36                         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-29 15:46                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-29 18:14                       ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-29 18:30                         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-29 19:29                       ` Stefan Xenos
2018-11-27 16:52             ` [PATCH v2 7/7] Suggest other commands instead of "git checkout" Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-28  6:04               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-28 15:33                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-29  6:05                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-28 20:01             ` [PATCH/RFC v2 0/7] Introduce new commands switch-branch and checkout-files Duy Nguyen
2018-11-28 20:09               ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-28 20:30                 ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-29 15:33                   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-12-03 21:42                     ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-30  1:47                 ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]               ` <CAPL8Ziuj7Ffmdvz6NZWSJ+vzAtxFQhO1cfY2wmXm16J_8sY5fw@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-28 22:53                 ` Stefan Xenos
2018-11-29  6:14                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-29 21:58             ` [PATCH/RFC v3 00/14] Introduce new commands switch-branch and restore-files Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 01/14] git-checkout.txt: fix one syntax line Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 02/14] git-checkout.txt: split detached head section out Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 03/14] checkout: factor out some code in parse_branchname_arg() Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 04/14] checkout: make "opts" in cmd_checkout() a pointer Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 05/14] checkout: move 'confict_style' and 'dwim_..' to checkout_opts Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 06/14] checkout: split options[] array in three pieces Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 07/14] checkout: split into switch-branch and restore-files Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-12-04  0:45                 ` Elijah Newren
2018-12-04  3:33                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-04 16:21                   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-12-04 17:43                     ` Elijah Newren
2018-12-04 18:17                       ` Duy Nguyen
2018-12-05  2:25                         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-05  4:45                           ` Elijah Newren
2018-12-05  6:56                             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-05  2:14                     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2018-12-05  4:22                       ` Elijah Newren
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 08/14] switch-branch: better names for -b and -B Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 09/14] switch-branch: stop accepting pathspec Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 10/14] switch-branch: reject "do nothing" case Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 11/14] switch-branch: only allow explicit detached HEAD Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2019-03-10 19:32                 ` Eckhard Maaß
2019-03-11 14:27                   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 12/14] restore-files: take tree-ish from --from option instead Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 13/14] restore-files: make pathspec mandatory Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 21:58               ` [PATCH v3 14/14] doc: promote "git switch-branch" and "git restore-files" Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-29 23:05               ` [PATCH/RFC v3 00/14] Introduce new commands switch-branch and restore-files Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-29 23:18                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-29 23:37                 ` Dan Fabulich
2018-11-30  0:16                 ` Dan Fabulich
2018-11-30  6:49                   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-30  5:37                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-30  6:47                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-30 11:29                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-30 12:10                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-30  2:16               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-30  5:41                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-11-30  6:46                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-02 18:58                 ` Thomas Gummerer
2018-12-02 19:46                   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-04  1:28               ` Elijah Newren
2018-12-04 16:27                 ` Duy Nguyen
2018-12-04 17:45                   ` Elijah Newren
2018-12-04 18:22                     ` Duy Nguyen
2018-12-04 18:31                       ` Elijah Newren
2018-12-04 18:39                         ` Duy Nguyen
2018-12-04 21:18                   ` Eric Sunshine
2018-11-13 18:28 ` [PATCH v2] checkout: print something when checking out paths Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2018-11-14 10:12   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-14 15:31     ` Duy Nguyen
2019-01-28 21:58   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-29  1:26     ` Duy Nguyen
2019-02-06  2:51     ` [PATCH 0/2] nd/checkout-noisy updates Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2019-02-06  2:51       ` [PATCH 1/2] checkout: update count-checkouts messages Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy
2019-02-06  2:51       ` [PATCH 2/2] checkout: count and print -m paths separately Nguyễn Thái Ngọc Duy

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