From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE09E1F4B4 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726915AbgIUVMS (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:12:18 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com ([173.228.157.53]:50435 "EHLO pb-smtp21.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726796AbgIUVMS (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:12:18 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDC7FC17B; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:12:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=VP1Cfa5FVT9B7iy3w4jT1E2Zh6U=; b=WrvbjS J5lU3MynjUfUgLLdzbptKwH90QjxVAFm6oguTdaPNNx3WXhswKIH2sCDaeMt59oJ MNGbWsexXMzWA7g3Rn7UMDq3woZXJFAtF9CaRlCybOvL38zm5hRZO79QQQckZYPs 5nN1dDDN6DJIGDqizmE8qByBx12fmtTlXN1XI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=JM2dzhqpdhsBz2mHEG0pj3DdwhfXzRfO WAGpt0AxCE9YuXy2XYONWltJpCP67Mu0KvxmAIXpIoAXZIdr/KqZWfyd7Cfh849O uP787JoIP6TiXnl7GS2SmmiT+gB8iPCIIOdvsEGskCPWw2vjgeFVg62aKftb8txR mL1sMLuvwXw= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980B3FC17A; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:12:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [34.75.7.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFE10FC177; Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:12:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] t/test-terminal: avoid non-inclusive language References: <3b4ae48d4a3a7e2d6aae259ead19b6643d2533e8.1600279853.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 14:12:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:34:05 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 1EE7540E-FC4F-11EA-9794-843F439F7C89-77302942!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Johannes Schindelin writes: > Hi Junio, > > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote: > >> Junio C Hamano writes: >> >> > "Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget" >> > writes: >> > >> >> From: Johannes Schindelin >> >> >> >> In the ongoing effort to make the Git project a more inclusive place, >> >> let's try to avoid names like "master" where possible. >> > >> > The two sides of a PTY are called 'master' and 'slave', and I >> > understand there is a push to move away from these words, but >> > calling one side with an invented name that is used by nobody else >> > in the context of talking about PTY, while keeping the word used to >> > call the other side, would lead to confusion. >> > >> > A better change is to drop "master_" altogether without replacing >> > the word with anything, and call them just "input", "output" and >> > "error". >> >> If we really want to use a replacement word for 'master' instead of >> just dropping, I may be inclined to suggest 'parent', in the hope >> that PTY implementors will start following what Python folks are >> doing, at which time they will give us a synonym for 'slave' method >> called 'child' we can use. > > Good idea! It is unclear which one of the two you thought a good idea. Hopefully both are good, but simply dropping "master_" without attempting to replace would probably be better.