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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, derrickstolee@github.com,
	johannes.schindelin@gmx.de, Victoria Dye <vdye@github.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] scalar-diagnose: add directory to archiver more gently
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:09:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqsfmb3ed9.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <220804.8635ebu55j.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> ("Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason"'s message of "Thu, 04 Aug 2022 22:12:56 +0200")

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm mainly noting that the point of this step is to produce an archive
> for the consumption of the remote end.
>
> Therefore it seems to me like it would me much more useful to note these
> "oddities" in some log that we're about to zip up, rather than issue a
> warning().

Hmph, the receiving end that inspects the archive will know that a
directory did not get archived, but they cannot tell if that is
because it did not exist, or because it was unreadable, and the
trouble the user may be having can well be the result of having
the directory unreadable.  So from that point of view, in addition
to these warnings and errors, it would be helpful to record the
errors we encounter while we generate the diagnostic archive in the
archive itself for inspection.

But the warning on the local side has merit to warn the user of an
unusual situation.  "I am puzzled why the hook I thought I wrote did
not trigger, but the diag tool says I do not have .git/hooks at all"
is a welcome side effect, even though it may not be the primary
effect we are aiming to gain by having these warning messages.

> I'm pointing out that we don't need to include that part in the message,
> because warning_errno() will already give us that for free. I.e.:
>
> 	warning: could not archive directory '<some dir>': No such file or directory
>
> v.s.:
>
> 	warning: could not archive missing directory '<some dir>'
>
> The advantages of doing so being:
>
>  * It's clear (at least to the keen eye) that it's using the "errno
>    format", so you know it's not just saying "could not for <whatever
>    reason>", it specifically got ENOENT.

Funny.  I find it much clearer if we can use our own message without
having to rely on whatever strerror(error) gives us.  We know better
than the C library why we got ENOENT and be more readable.  They say
"No such file or directory" because from ENOENT alone they cannot
tell you if it was a file or a directory that was missing, but we
have a better context like "we were trying to create an archive" and
"we tried opendir, expecting that the thing is a directory".

>  * The i18n for the strerror() comes from the C library, which will be
>    translated already, whereas a new git.pot message won't be (but we'll
>    hopefully bridge the gap eventually).

As I said above, I do not think it is an advantage in this case that
strerror() is translated, as the point of having a separate message
is because we can be more to-the-point, and we do not need to use
the strerror() result in there.

>  * This way we we can share the message, whatever the errno happens to
>    be, so we could e.g.:
>
>       errno = ENOENT;
>       warning_errno(_("could not archive directory '%s'"), "<some dir>");
>       errno = ENOMEM;
>       error_errno(_("could not archive directory '%s'"), "<some dir>");
>
>    Whereas putting the reason for why we couldn't (which just duplicates
>    the errno) in the message forces the messages & i18n to diverge.

And an added clarity that we can use a separate message is something
I think is worth having, compared to the cost of having an extra
message over the more generic one for any errno.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-04 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-01 21:14 [PATCH 0/7] Generalize 'scalar diagnose' into 'git bugreport --diagnose' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 21:14 ` [PATCH 1/7] scalar: use "$GIT_UNZIP" in 'scalar diagnose' test Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 21:46   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-01 21:14 ` [PATCH 2/7] builtin/bugreport.c: create '--diagnose' option Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 22:16   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 15:40     ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-02  2:17   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-01 21:14 ` [PATCH 3/7] builtin/bugreport.c: avoid size_t overflow Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 22:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 16:26     ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-02 20:51       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02  2:03   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 16:26     ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-03 12:25       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-01 21:14 ` [PATCH 4/7] builtin/bugreport.c: add directory to archiver more gently Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 22:22   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 15:43     ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-01 21:14 ` [PATCH 5/7] builtin/bugreport.c: add '--no-report' option Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 22:31   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02 19:46     ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-01 21:14 ` [PATCH 6/7] scalar: use 'git bugreport --diagnose' in 'scalar diagnose' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 21:14 ` [PATCH 7/7] scalar: update technical doc roadmap Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-01 21:34 ` [PATCH 0/7] Generalize 'scalar diagnose' into 'git bugreport --diagnose' Junio C Hamano
2022-08-02  2:49 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-02 19:48   ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-03 12:34     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04  1:45 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Generalize 'scalar diagnose' into 'git diagnose' and " Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 01/10] scalar-diagnose: use "$GIT_UNZIP" in test Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 02/10] scalar-diagnose: avoid 32-bit overflow of size_t Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 03/10] scalar-diagnose: add directory to archiver more gently Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  6:19     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 17:12       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-04 20:12         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04 21:09           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 04/10] scalar-diagnose: move 'get_disk_info()' to 'compat/' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 05/10] scalar-diagnose: move functionality to common location Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  6:24     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 06/10] builtin/diagnose.c: create 'git diagnose' builtin Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  6:27     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-05 19:38       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-11 11:06         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-05 19:11     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 07/10] builtin/diagnose.c: gate certain data behind '--all' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  6:39     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 08/10] builtin/bugreport.c: create '--diagnose' option Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-05 19:35     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-09 23:53       ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-10 12:52         ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-10 16:13           ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-10 16:47             ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 09/10] scalar-diagnose: use 'git diagnose --all' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04  6:54     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-09 16:54       ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-04  1:45   ` [PATCH v2 10/10] scalar: update technical doc roadmap Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-04 17:22   ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Generalize 'scalar diagnose' into 'git diagnose' and 'git bugreport --diagnose' Junio C Hamano
2022-08-09 16:17     ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-09 16:50       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-10 23:34   ` [PATCH v3 00/11] " Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 01/11] scalar-diagnose: use "$GIT_UNZIP" in test Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 02/11] scalar-diagnose: avoid 32-bit overflow of size_t Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 03/11] scalar-diagnose: add directory to archiver more gently Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 04/11] scalar-diagnose: move 'get_disk_info()' to 'compat/' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 05/11] scalar-diagnose: move functionality to common location Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 06/11] diagnose.c: add option to configure archive contents Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-11  0:16       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-12 17:00         ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-11 10:51       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-11 15:43         ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 07/11] builtin/diagnose.c: create 'git diagnose' builtin Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 08/11] builtin/diagnose.c: add '--mode' option Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 09/11] builtin/bugreport.c: create '--diagnose' option Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-11 10:53       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-11 15:40         ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-11 20:30           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 10/11] scalar-diagnose: use 'git diagnose --mode=all' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-10 23:34     ` [PATCH v3 11/11] scalar: update technical doc roadmap Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10     ` [PATCH v4 00/11] Generalize 'scalar diagnose' into 'git diagnose' and 'git bugreport --diagnose' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 01/11] scalar-diagnose: use "$GIT_UNZIP" in test Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 02/11] scalar-diagnose: avoid 32-bit overflow of size_t Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 03/11] scalar-diagnose: add directory to archiver more gently Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 04/11] scalar-diagnose: move 'get_disk_info()' to 'compat/' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 05/11] scalar-diagnose: move functionality to common location Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-12 21:00           ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-12 21:20             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 06/11] diagnose.c: add option to configure archive contents Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:31         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 07/11] builtin/diagnose.c: create 'git diagnose' builtin Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-18 18:43         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-08-18 19:12           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 08/11] builtin/diagnose.c: add '--mode' option Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 09/11] builtin/bugreport.c: create '--diagnose' option Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 10/11] scalar-diagnose: use 'git diagnose --mode=all' Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget
2022-08-12 20:10       ` [PATCH v4 11/11] scalar: update technical doc roadmap Victoria Dye via GitGitGadget

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