From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213A81F97E for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2018 04:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726039AbeKUOz6 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:55:58 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com ([173.228.157.52]:52171 "EHLO pb-smtp20.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725939AbeKUOz5 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:55:57 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE4519388; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:23:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=9CaHu8Qzw4Zvg9g0iguqbTzXEz4=; b=sEX/9e gDg+90k5GN7HWA4KA60riKOnRFlIblciaKAKcRGHIEfLwIBjmvAKcrH57FcmmcqF 1VMsYzsNVcvzP2Hcl0W6zL/v9+aN+SpMDW59crNLJbScQBakgTn0zycUBKNdbI2f wQWz7zSWWmFpRPXnvcNPTJMkrrSrImyTCOPBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=X0lu7uMjWgEHecTe1DU20NbbtuH0OVD+ iPLwwc96lZxg+m2DmcJvgwkxS5G5q2Y9cLtvHhxp4CikI3pFlq7SbWtcxb5yrB+i e4SuWyLvRmqy+RIiv4S3uRf2pXFazYZUtRWji+Uf5VM9roQDpOpkv5QaxFXeN9r5 HJqgESsTuPI= Received: from pb-smtp20.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9256319387; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:23:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [35.187.50.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A2F4619386; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 23:23:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Jonathan Nieder Cc: Ben Peart , =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , git@vger.kernel.org, pclouds@gmail.com, Ben Peart , jonathantanmy@google.com Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] index: offer advice for unknown index extensions References: <20181010155938.20996-1-peartben@gmail.com> <20181113003817.GA170017@google.com> <20181113003938.GC170017@google.com> <20181120060920.GA144753@google.com> <20181120061544.GF144753@google.com> <87sgzwyu94.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <20181121010309.GE149929@google.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:23:06 +0900 In-Reply-To: <20181121010309.GE149929@google.com> (Jonathan Nieder's message of "Tue, 20 Nov 2018 17:03:09 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 26F3C1C0-ED45-11E8-A2FD-F5C31241B9FE-77302942!pb-smtp20.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Jonathan Nieder writes: > Now, a meta point. Throughout this discussion, I have been hoping for > some acknowledgement of the problem --- e.g. an "I am sympathetic to > what you are trying to do, but ". I wasn't able to find that, and > that is part of what contributed to the feeling of not being heard. I had little sympathy for what you were trying to do, i.e. killing the coalmine canary that warns users about using older version of Git when there clearly is a sign that a newer one is available to them and they have already used it; there was no problem to be acknowledged. Not before "why is it different this time?" question gets answered anyway. And seeing the same "let's not enable the new extension" patch again without much improved justification contributed greatly to the feeling of not being heard. The feeling is mutual.