From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE, URIBL_CSS,URIBL_CSS_A shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email [IPv6:2620:137:e000::1:20]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E4E1F670 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 17:05:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S243923AbiCGRGN (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:06:13 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:54150 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S235114AbiCGRGK (ORCPT ); Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:06:10 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (pb-smtp1.pobox.com [64.147.108.70]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 776A5710DC for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 09:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B495110CDF8; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:05:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=mJ8LaMTlCxrb djF5dfGLJsTpbW/Uhiu7H5MUR0z7ui0=; b=uT9Pvnw3gy7wAtjasgB1NMeFPIva ZVp0YoqHtWASc7HZ15KDZgzUQMHzWGDpxqfM80Mr0Dhzku8+6yqULvVI4MYDiZiF FFUrOpbOrL3n1qaPpm8IbO9+S6BtA2vN/HgS2rOoS3WBc4nBXoIBjvpDZKr03uCw N9+js3prUnMx+bQ= Received: from pb-smtp1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD7910CDF6; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:05:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [35.230.65.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 13DC410CDF4; Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:05:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , git@vger.kernel.org, Jacob Keller Subject: Re: win+VS environment has "cut" but not "paste"? References: <220220.86bkz1d7hm.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <220222.86tucr6kz5.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <505afc19-25bd-7ccb-7fb2-26bcc9d47119@gmail.com> <220304.86mti6f4ny.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2022 09:05:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Mon, 7 Mar 2022 16:51:07 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: C15BDA52-9E38-11EC-B91F-5E84C8D8090B-77302942!pb-smtp1.pobox.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Johannes Schindelin writes: > I said that the current output is only useful to veterans. The output t= hat > hides the detailed log, under a separate job that is marked as > non-failing. > > That's still as true as when I said it. :-) I think getting rid of the separate "print failures" CI step and making it more discoverable how to reveal the details of failing test step is a usability improvement. I am not =C3=86var, but I think what was questioned was the improvement justifies multi dozens of seconds extra waiting time, which is a usability dis-improvement. I do not have a good answer to that question. I am probably nearing to be a veteran who knows when to brew my tea in my work cycle, and waiting for an extra minute or two while browsing CI output is not a problem for me. But new "non-veteran" users may not share that. That is something a bit worrying about the new UI. Thanks.