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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>
Cc: Victoria Dye <vdye@github.com>,
	Shaoxuan Yuan <shaoxuan.yuan02@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/2] builtin/grep.c: add --sparse option
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2022 11:47:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqlermwvus.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e719d1e1-1849-07bc-ea08-2729985e5048@github.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:43:54 -0400")

Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com> writes:

>> It is a bit unintuitive, but '--sparse' is already used to mean "operate on
>> SKIP_WORKTREE entries (i.e., pretend the repo isn't a sparse-checkout)" in
>> both 'add' (0299a69694 (add: implement the --sparse option, 2021-09-24)) and
>> 'rm' (f9786f9b85 (rm: add --sparse option, 2021-09-24)). The
>> 'checkout-index' option '--ignore-skip-worktree-bits' indicates similar
>> behavior (and is, IMO, similarly confusing with its use of "ignore").

OK, I forgot about these precedents.  "ignore skip worktree bits" is
quite a mouthful, but expresses what is going on quite clearly.
Instead of honoring the skip-worktree bit, behave as if they are not
set, so we bust the "sparse" boundary.

> The existing pattern here means that it isn't Shaoxuan's responsibility
> to pick a better name, but if we are interested in changing the name,
> then we have some work to replace the previous '--sparse' options with
> that name. I could do that replacement, assuming we land on a better name
> and are willing to have that change of behavior.

It all depends on how deeply the existing "--sparse" are anchored in
users' minds.  If we have been with them for nearly a year and three
major releases, it is too late to casually "fix" without a proper
transition strategy, I am afraid.  And I am not even sure if it is
worth the trouble.

In any case, let's leave it totally outside the scope of the topic.
As long as we are consistently unintuitive with "--sparse", then I
think we are OK, because users are malleable and can easily get used
to anything as long as it is consistent ;-)

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-17 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-17  7:56 [PATCH v1 0/2] grep: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-17  7:56 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] builtin/grep.c: add --sparse option Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-17 14:12   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-17 17:13     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-08-17 17:34       ` Victoria Dye
2022-08-17 17:43         ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-17 18:47           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2022-08-17 17:37     ` Elijah Newren
2022-08-24 18:20     ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-24 19:08       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-17  7:56 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] builtin/grep.c: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-17 14:23   ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-24 21:06     ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-25  0:39       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-08-17 13:46 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] grep: " Derrick Stolee
2022-08-29 23:28 ` [PATCH v2 " Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-29 23:28   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] builtin/grep.c: add --sparse option Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-29 23:28   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] builtin/grep.c: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-08-30 13:45     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-01  4:57 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] grep: " Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-01  4:57   ` [PATCH v3 1/3] builtin/grep.c: add --sparse option Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-01  4:57   ` [PATCH v3 2/3] builtin/grep.c: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-01  4:57   ` [PATCH v3 3/3] builtin/grep.c: walking tree instead of expanding index with --sparse Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-01 17:03     ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-01 18:31       ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-01 17:17     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-01 17:27       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-01 22:49         ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-01 22:36       ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-02  3:28     ` Victoria Dye
2022-09-02 18:47       ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-03  0:36 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] grep: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-03  0:36   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] builtin/grep.c: add --sparse option Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-03  0:36   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] builtin/grep.c: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-03  0:36   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] builtin/grep.c: walking tree instead of expanding index with --sparse Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-03  4:39     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-08  0:24       ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-08  0:18 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] grep: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-08  0:18   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] builtin/grep.c: add --sparse option Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-10  1:07     ` Victoria Dye
2022-09-14  6:08     ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-15  2:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-18  2:14         ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-18 19:52           ` Victoria Dye
2022-09-19  1:23             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-19  4:27             ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-19 11:03             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-20  7:13             ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-17  3:34       ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-18  4:24         ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-19  4:13           ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-17  3:45       ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-08  0:18   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] builtin/grep.c: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-08  0:18   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] builtin/grep.c: walking tree instead of expanding index with --sparse Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-08 17:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-08 20:46       ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-08 20:56         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-08 21:06           ` Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-09 12:49           ` Derrick Stolee
2022-09-13 17:23         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-10  2:04     ` Victoria Dye
2022-09-23  4:18 ` [PATCH v6 0/1] grep: integrate with sparse index Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-23  4:18   ` [PATCH v6 1/1] builtin/grep.c: " Shaoxuan Yuan
2022-09-23 16:40     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-23 16:58     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-26 17:28       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-23 14:13   ` [PATCH v6 0/1] grep: " Derrick Stolee
2022-09-23 16:01   ` Victoria Dye
2022-09-23 17:08     ` Junio C Hamano

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