From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS3215 2.6.0.0/16 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from out1.vger.email (out1.vger.email [IPv6:2620:137:e000::1:20]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62481F508 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: dcvr.yhbt.net; dkim=pass (1024-bit key; unprotected) header.d=pobox.com header.i=@pobox.com header.b="WoXDFXyv"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231645AbiIUQte (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:49:34 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:52318 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232300AbiIUQs7 (ORCPT ); Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:48:59 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (pb-smtp21.pobox.com [173.228.157.53]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32C1B71710 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7277F1B1610; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=kdqDoSIHDaU0 DdeXJRJu0PBzYYStC2VMGQwfIjBNtPE=; b=WoXDFXyvq603PXyISyGM5obhX06t ctaq1rJ1xlMSLJ+DdUNWrDNIOfJFXxiUmmZbz1afSxgfTtPINHDacUjGcQ+q8NRp ClQB0z5/Sq8anR7xAAX1QLnyhumph/kXx8KB2Gvuf3xVN9ZWDyyFifyXGs9IF8A7 niZZv33o0nhgUvw= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA351B160F; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [34.83.5.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBA2B1B160E; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason Cc: "brian m. carlson" , "Florine W. Dekker" , =?utf-8?Q?Ren=C3=A9?= Scharfe , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Wildcards in mailmap to hide transgender people's deadnames References: <2e846a72-a4c6-2a5a-255a-15eee037f574@fwdekker.com> <854127f2-55aa-5636-813d-d91b8a4cdcbc@web.de> <220919.86mtav60wi.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <220920.86edw65ngv.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 09:42:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: <220920.86edw65ngv.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (=?utf-8?B?IsOG?= =?utf-8?B?dmFyIEFybmZqw7Zyw7A=?= Bjarmason"'s message of "Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:23:05 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 63DBD226-39CC-11ED-947F-B31D44D1D7AA-77302942!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason writes: > I think it would be irresponsible of us to provide a feature that looks > as though it can in any way mitigate those concerns. > > If you're someone that's worried about being harassed if someone makes > the link from your previous identity Y to your current identity X where > you already have Y as part of a public git history. The right answer is > to not submit a change to the .mailmap to explicitly connect the two. While I agree with the sentiment "You are in control if your three names appear to refer to the same person" (and "On the Internet nobody knows you're a dog"), I wish the world were so black and white. Many people change their names over the course of their life, and some do not want the linkage to their past revealed. Many of them have nothing to be ashamed of themselves but do so due to risk of discrimination, while some of them may do so to hide inconvenient facts about their past. While I have no sympathy to the latter, I do not think it is unreasonable for the folks in the former camp to also want recognition for the achievement made under their old as well as their current identity. And "pretend you have nothing to do with that identity you used in the past life" goes directly against the idea of taking credit for what you did in the past. As the expertise you demonstrated under your old name will not help others find you as an expert in an area, until your new name starts being associated with your newly earned recognition, it is also a loss for the development community. I dunno.