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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>,
	Josh Steadmon <steadmon@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] documentation: add tutorial for revision walking
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:18:39 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqd0h75ze8.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190814183328.GA40797@google.com> (Emily Shaffer's message of "Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:33:28 -0700")

Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com> writes:

>> > I think the tutorial itself is pretty much ready...
>> 
>> A few comments after skimming this round; none of them may be a show
>> stopper, but others may have different opinions.
>>  ...
> Hmmm. It sounds like you're saying:
>
> - This object covers walking objects, which is surprising since it's
>   titled about "revision walks". Revision walks are more about commits
>   ("git log").

Yes, the document does not duplicate what existing docs on "revision
walk" API would cover, which is a very good thing, as it is (or at
least "feels to be") primarly about walking objects.

> - Using grep on objects doesn't make any sense.

The grep filter works on commit's log messages, and does not even
look at other types of objects, so while that point is true, what I
was driving at was that skipping commits using grep filter would
mean showing trees and blobs related only to the chosen commits, and
while it can be explained as such (i.e. "trees and blobs contained
only in commits without these strings are excluded"), the practical
usefulness of such a "feature" is dubious (here I am imagining the
primary practical use of "object walk" is to feed pack-objects).

> - Other filters (like pathspecs) which do make sense for object walks
>   aren't covered.

Yup.  For example, "trees and blobs that appear only outside of this
directory hierarchy are excluded" would be useful to enumerate
objects necessary for a narrow commits (again, to feed pack-objects).

> - Apply the grep filter to the commit walk, and apply a more interesting
>   object filter to the object walk.
>
> Or,
>
> - Choose a different kind of filter which is interesting when applied to
>   commits alone _and_ all objects.
>
> In the interest of covering more ground with this kind of tutorial, I'd
> lean more towards the former.

Sorry, I do not have enough imagination to cheer for either of these
two options---these may be "interesting" in the same way as "trees
and blobs contained only in commits without these strings are
excluded" enumeration, but I fail to see practical usefulness
(i.e. the reason why a user may be tempted to learn how to achieve
it).

In any case, that was my personal take and not a strong request to
change anything, as I said upfront.  The document just gave me an
impression that it was teaching coding exercise that may be
interesting but of dubious utility.


  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-14 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-07  1:07 [PATCH] documentation: add tutorial for revision walking Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:07 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] example implementation of revwalk tutorial Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:07   ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] walken: add infrastructure for revwalk demo Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] walken: add usage to enable -h Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] walken: add placeholder to initialize defaults Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] walken: add handler to git_config Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] walken: configure rev_info and prepare for walk Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] walken: perform our basic revision walk Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] walken: filter for authors from gmail address Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] walken: demonstrate various topographical sorts Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] walken: demonstrate reversing a revision walk list Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] walken: add unfiltered object walk from HEAD Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] walken: add filtered object walk Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07 19:15     ` Jeff Hostetler
2019-06-17 20:30       ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] walken: count omitted objects Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  1:08   ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] walken: reverse the object walk order Emily Shaffer
2019-06-07  6:21 ` [PATCH] documentation: add tutorial for revision walking Eric Sunshine
2019-06-10 21:26   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-10 21:38     ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-17 23:19   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-19  8:13     ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-19 23:35       ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-23 18:54         ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-10 20:25 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-17 23:50   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-19 15:17     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-20 21:06       ` Emily Shaffer
2019-07-13  0:39         ` Josh Steadmon
2019-07-16  0:06           ` Emily Shaffer
2019-07-16 17:24             ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-10 20:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-06-17 23:33   ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:49 ` [PATCH v2] " Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50   ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] example implementation of revwalk tutorial Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/13] walken: add infrastructure for revwalk demo Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/13] walken: add usage to enable -h Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  4:47       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 18:40         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  4:50       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/13] walken: add placeholder to initialize defaults Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/13] walken: add handler to git_config Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  4:54       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 18:47         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/13] walken: configure rev_info and prepare for walk Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:06       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 18:56         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/13] walken: perform our basic revision walk Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:16       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 20:54         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/13] walken: filter for authors from gmail address Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:20       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 20:58         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/13] walken: demonstrate various topographical sorts Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:22       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 22:12         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/13] walken: demonstrate reversing a revision walk list Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:26       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 22:20         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/13] walken: add unfiltered object walk from HEAD Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:37       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 22:31         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-28  0:48           ` Eric Sunshine
2019-07-01 19:19             ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/13] walken: add filtered object walk Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:42       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-27 22:33         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/13] walken: count omitted objects Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27  5:44       ` Eric Sunshine
2019-06-26 23:50     ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/13] walken: reverse the object walk order Emily Shaffer
2019-06-27 22:56     ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] example implementation of revwalk tutorial Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:19   ` [PATCH v3] documentation: add tutorial for revision walking Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20     ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/13] example implementation of revwalk tutorial Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/13] walken: add infrastructure for revwalk demo Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/13] walken: add usage to enable -h Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/13] walken: add placeholder to initialize defaults Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/13] walken: add handler to git_config Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/13] walken: configure rev_info and prepare for walk Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/13] walken: perform our basic revision walk Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/13] walken: filter for authors from gmail address Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/13] walken: demonstrate various topographical sorts Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/13] walken: demonstrate reversing a revision walk list Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/13] walken: add unfiltered object walk from HEAD Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/13] walken: add filtered object walk Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/13] walken: count omitted objects Emily Shaffer
2019-07-01 20:20       ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/13] walken: reverse the object walk order Emily Shaffer
2019-07-25  9:25       ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/13] example implementation of revwalk tutorial Johannes Schindelin
2019-08-06 23:13         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-08-08 19:19           ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-07-24 23:11     ` [PATCH v3] documentation: add tutorial for revision walking Josh Steadmon
2019-07-24 23:32     ` Jonathan Tan
2019-08-06 23:10       ` Emily Shaffer
2019-08-06 23:19     ` [PATCH v4] " Emily Shaffer
2019-08-07 19:19       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-08-14 18:33         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-08-14 19:18           ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2019-10-10 15:19       ` [PATCH v5] documentation: add tutorial for object walking Emily Shaffer
2019-10-11  5:50         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-10-11 23:26           ` Emily Shaffer
2019-10-11 17:50         ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-10-11 23:33           ` Emily Shaffer
2019-10-11 23:55         ` [PATCH v6] " Emily Shaffer

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