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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 14:15:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqblf21v9e.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.QRO.7.76.6.2012091513540.25979@tvgsbejvaqbjf.bet> (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Wed, 9 Dec 2020 15:47:05 +0100 (CET)")

Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> writes:

> On Tue, 24 Nov 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote:
>
>> I am not saying it is a legitimate need.  I just wanted to make it
>> clear that we deliberately chose not to grant that wish in the
>> message.  An advice flag in this context means that the users can
>> choose to let their distro and sysadm to flip the default silently,
>> which is much worse than having to see the message every time they
>> start a new repository with "git init".
>
> The distribution already can add patches, so this objection is a red
> herring. The sysadm can pick a different value for `init.defaultBranch`
> and dictate to the user silently what initial branch name to use, so that
> is also a red herring.

The "setting init.defaultBranch is the only way to squelch" approach
means the ~/.gitconfig will have the settings soon after the user
starts using Git and /etc/gitconfig will not allow administrators to
force their will over what the user decides to use.  Distros adding
patches to strip configurability by setting init.defaultBranch in
user's ~/.gitconfig?  Is that the kind of possibilities worth
discussing?

So, no, your counter-argument above is nothing but a red-herring.

If you want a counter-argument, please explain why "I am fine to see
the default flipped to whatever the tool picks and having no control
over when the flipping happens" can be a sensible choice for users
with what kind of workflows.  The only folks I can think of who
would be fine with that are (1) those who do not create the second
branch in the repository and will stay on the primary branch
forever, and (2) those who immediately rename the branch to what
they want after "git init".  For other folks, such a choice is a
disaster waiting to happen, and it just feels irresponsible to offer
such a choice, at least to me.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-09 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-22 23:23 [PATCH 0/3] Add helpful advice about init.defaultBranch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH 1/3] init: document `init.defaultBranch` better Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-22 23:40   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-23 12:07     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH 2/3] get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some advice Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-22 23:23 ` [PATCH 3/3] init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-22 23:53   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-23  2:07     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-23 12:28       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-23 18:40         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-23 20:46           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-23 21:28             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-23 12:26     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-23 12:49   ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-23 20:47     ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-23 23:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Add helpful " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-23 23:20   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] init: document `init.defaultBranch` better Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-23 23:20   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-23 23:45     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-24  5:47       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-24 20:14         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-23 23:20   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some advice Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-23 23:20   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-23 23:53     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-24  5:57       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-24 20:53         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-09 14:47           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-12-09 22:15             ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2020-12-10 12:12               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-12-10 23:32                 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-10  0:40             ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-24 15:07   ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Add helpful " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-24 15:07     ` [PATCH v3 1/4] init: document `init.defaultBranch` better Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-24 15:07     ` [PATCH v3 2/4] branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-24 15:07     ` [PATCH v3 3/4] get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some advice Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-24 15:07     ` [PATCH v3 4/4] init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-10 21:58     ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Add helpful " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-10 21:58       ` [PATCH v4 1/4] init: document `init.defaultBranch` better Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-11  0:24         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-11  5:47           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-11  6:26             ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-11  5:59           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-10 21:58       ` [PATCH v4 2/4] branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-10 21:58       ` [PATCH v4 3/4] get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some advice Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-10 21:58       ` [PATCH v4 4/4] init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-11  0:15         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-11  1:22           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-12-11  0:47             ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-12-11  2:00             ` Felipe Contreras
2020-12-11 11:36       ` [PATCH v5 0/4] Add helpful " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-11 11:36         ` [PATCH v5 1/4] init: document `init.defaultBranch` better Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-11 11:36         ` [PATCH v5 2/4] branch -m: allow renaming a yet-unborn branch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-11 11:36         ` [PATCH v5 3/4] get_default_branch_name(): prepare for showing some advice Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-12-11 11:36         ` [PATCH v5 4/4] init: provide useful advice about init.defaultBranch Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2021-02-02 21:24           ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-02 22:25             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-03  5:20               ` SZEDER Gábor

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