From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: Promoting Git developers Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: References: <54FDA6B5.8050505@drmicha.warpmail.net> <20150311073129.GA5947@peff.net> <20150312223836.GB24492@peff.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: "Jason St. John" , Christian Couder , Michael J Gruber , David Kastrup , git To: Jeff King X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Thu Mar 12 23:58:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YWC3k-00048u-Jz for gcvg-git-2@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 23:58:32 +0100 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751393AbbCLW61 (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:58:27 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp1.int.icgroup.com ([208.72.237.35]:60136 "EHLO sasl.smtp.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750848AbbCLW60 (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:58:26 -0400 Received: from sasl.smtp.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2D13FC26; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:58:26 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=EzD4KIrOKiWn6eEflgkpGTFk0NY=; b=st/ABp au4u+1/eeNgkoD2uWblToWS+P7YS/qDEoJAImfodjVCaIKVrWSjGjJHj9yJYKXIe 0ssR1PoOnzeX2ZALhf3YppZ9Zzzb2gUvs5kIBaXyfmzRUaD8FW/FqGFItsAiYIlr +x37OO3wtchhnBvd7aBDI7jA9r0aB+TFvmp+Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=JC6k2xmNp2TFPFnIxweonLPVRydC02ad Dslync5hNlGcdL7tyKTw6i5WXe4xCAJQ/pnkkNXLsAFplBkCJ4vrVKUjXdXS+9p9 u85EV4DHovJwCzWBGEGoHFJyPFLwQ/sj2QuEJEvN2v9e3HiB68HdSUlMGg+HIBIC i160yuaqOn8= Received: from pb-smtp1.int.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3274F3FC25; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [72.14.226.9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A1CE83FC1D; Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:58:25 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <20150312223836.GB24492@peff.net> (Jeff King's message of "Thu, 12 Mar 2015 18:38:36 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 4A5E34AE-C90B-11E4-9F48-A2259F42C9D4-77302942!pb-smtp1.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Jeff King writes: > Seeing my name in "shortlog" was nice, but not that exciting. I > submitted a patch, it was taken, and of course it ends up in any > automated lists of authors. What was much more rewarding was being > mentioned specifically in "A note from the maintainer" as a helpful > person. That had much more value because: > > 1. It was one of a handful of names. > > 2. It was picked by a human. > > So in that sense, it is quite the opposite of including shortlog output > in the release announcements (I still think the shortlog thing we have > been discussing is a good thing, but not at the same level). Yes, and that cuts both ways, unfortunately. There always will be "I am doing more reviews than X and my reviews are higher quality. Why was X singled out and got thanked but not me?", "X is really doing a good job reviewing in this cycle, but could other people who send reviews of lessor quality (to my mind) feel that it is unjustified if I thanked X and nobody else?", etc. A mechanically generated list avoids these issues, but the satisfaction you get from being on the list is not very high, exactly because it is not hand picked. > I do not know that it is worth having a "Best of 2015" Git awards > ceremony, but it is sometimes nice to thank people personally when > you appreciate their efforts. I sometimes mail people off-list to > do so. Yeah, I do the same, but revealing that we do so would defeat what we tried to achieve by doing so off-list in the first place. Now those who haven't got such a piece of e-mail for a while can start to suspect that they have fallen out of favour or something ;-(.