From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753591F55B for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 02:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726326AbgFKCOF (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:14:05 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com ([173.228.157.52]:50058 "EHLO pb-smtp20.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726163AbgFKCOE (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:14:04 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69373C0A7E; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:14:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=c0rBkm7HqLT2oF5kGYHENKsUYZI=; b=LfcqTS VvxGrnji3FRcnsyO+wqNwZZTXWHZhNpbILB4gIAURzLtGbBfuKesWiRvvtS9c3hK /0er6zZt5QbqJ/8rAy+4yPxmZ/qLBLXFv1d5D3t2Y6WfFBlitVyTXqiP6eETKCCw n2ipXZmKJDPKD8m5YFJWlh4Jm6Jcl59aH+k64= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=TRUaJGrYXxKf2k4yTbGqXLnqa1IiDYK7 kJAdjjIYvbxOaynxIa8Esks8+VlG/hMAKr8D1WqhD2rkJjqhrwrNVaGF4h3O4apS Xbpr6+jnG65KMkbq4+1PDDcwgnoOuJVj8OLuGyEEDCFSm+S5yypAYc1zqSa9d5Ee 38dAeOVzkU4= Received: from pb-smtp20.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B09C0A7D; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:14:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [35.196.173.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D251C0A78; Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:13:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Taylor Blau Cc: Emily Shaffer , Johannes Schindelin , "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters , Don Goodman-Wilson , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Virtual Inclusion Summit References: <20200610222719.GE148632@google.com> <20200611011040.GB21728@syl.local> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:13:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20200611011040.GB21728@syl.local> (Taylor Blau's message of "Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:10:40 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 3636545A-AB89-11EA-9641-B0405B776F7B-77302942!pb-smtp20.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Taylor Blau writes: >> It is OK to have an optional meeting in the hope that a video >> meeting may have a better chance to keep those who easily become too >> aggressive and confrontational in text-only conversation in check >> and instead have civilized conversation. >> >> But I am not sure if it is a good idea to call such a meeting a >> "Summit", given that there are those who prefer not to be seen, >> heard or recorded how they appear and how they sound in a video >> conference. They would not be able to join the conversation held in >> such a "Summit" held only by those who are privileged enough to be >> able to attend. > > I think that this is a very reasonable concern, stated in a very > reasonable fashion. Let's call it something else, sure, and avoid > recording/publishing the event (as we have done in the past at other > in-person events--such as the last Git Merge--which seems like a > lifetime ago ;-).) I am not opposed to recording and publishing for wider dissemination of what was said and agreed on among participants, who join with the full understanding of how the video meeting will later be consumed. What I am hesitant to see is that such an opt-in meeting becomes "you got a chance to attend and have your voice heard---if you didn't come, that was your choice, and whatever objection you give after it does not count" summit.