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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Jens Lehmann" <Jens.Lehmann@web.de>,
	"Eric Sunshine" <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	"Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	"Carlo Arenas" <carenas@gmail.com>, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Philippe Blain" <levraiphilippeblain@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/3] test-lib-functions: optionally keep HOME, TERM and SHELL in 'test_pause'
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 13:26:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq7dg0oxdm.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <328b5d6e76f598590d24b35ec23b5fd854c6cf05.1630503102.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com> (Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget's message of "Wed, 01 Sep 2021 13:31:41 +0000")

"Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:

> +# Usage: test_pause [options]
> +#   -t
> +#	Use your original TERM instead of test-lib.sh's "dumb".
> +#	This usually restores color output in the invoked shell.
> +#	WARNING: this can break test reproducibility.
> +#   -s
> +#	Invoke $SHELL instead of $TEST_SHELL_PATH
> +#	WARNING: this can break test reproducibility.
> +#   -h
> +#	Use your original HOME instead of test-lib.sh's "$TRASH_DIRECTORY".
> +#	This allows you to use your regular shell environment and Git aliases.
> +#	WARNING: this can break test reproducibility.
> +#	CAUTION: this can overwrite files in your HOME.
> +#   -a
> +#	Shortcut for -t -s -h

As this is not end-user facing but facing our developer, I do not
deeply care, but I find the warnings in this help text problematic.

Because a new process instance of $PAUSE_SHELL is run, the options
you add when inserting test_pause does not affect what happens in
the tests after you exit the $PAUSE_SHELL [*], right?

Of course, you can modify the repository or the working tree files
used in the test in the $PAUSE_SHELL, and that can break "test
reproducibility"---if you run "git ls-files -s" and take its output
in a temporary file, a step later in the test that runs "git status"
will see an extra untracked file, for example, and such a change may
(or may not) unnecessarily break the tests.

But it is not anything new introduced by these options.  It is
inherent to test_pause itself.

If we want to add a warning to the help text here, I think it should
be written in such a way that it is clear that the warning applies
to any use of the test_pause helper, not just to the form with the
options.

Thanks.


[Footnote]

* If we had an alternative implementation of test_pause that does
  not use a separate $PAUSE_SHELL process, but instead like
  inserting a read-eval-print loop, that would be far more powerful
  and useful debugging aid.  You can not just stop the execution of
  the test, and observe the files in the test repository and the
  environment variables---you can also access shell variables and
  functions.

  Such a test_pause from another world would deserve a "if you touch
  anything, the damage is permanent" warning even more than the
  current one, because you can modify even a shell variable to
  affect the execution of the test after you leave the paused state.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-01 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-19 17:16 [PATCH 0/2] test-lib-functions.sh: keep user's HOME, TERM and SHELL for 'test_pause' and 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19 17:16 ` [PATCH 1/2] test-lib-functions: use user's SHELL, HOME and TERM for 'test_pause' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-08-20  3:08   ` Carlo Arenas
2021-08-20 12:14     ` Philippe Blain
2021-08-19 17:16 ` [PATCH 2/2] test-lib-functions: use user's TERM and HOME for 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19 19:24   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-20  3:18     ` Carlo Arenas
2021-08-19 18:10 ` [PATCH 0/2] test-lib-functions.sh: keep user's HOME, TERM and SHELL for 'test_pause' and 'debug' Eric Sunshine
2021-08-19 19:57   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-19 20:14     ` Eric Sunshine
2021-08-19 20:03   ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-19 20:11     ` Eric Sunshine
2021-08-20 12:12       ` Philippe Blain
2021-08-20 15:50         ` Eric Sunshine
2021-08-20 18:23         ` Jeff King
2021-08-28  0:47 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] " Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-08-28  0:47   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] test-lib-functions: use 'TEST_SHELL_PATH' in 'test_pause' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-08-28  0:47   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] test-lib-functions: optionally keep HOME, TERM and SHELL " Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-08-28  7:27     ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-28 14:50       ` Philippe Blain
2021-08-28  0:47   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] test-lib-functions: optionally keep HOME and TERM in 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-01 13:31   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] test-lib-functions.sh: keep user's HOME, TERM and SHELL for 'test_pause' and 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-01 13:31     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] test-lib-functions: use 'TEST_SHELL_PATH' in 'test_pause' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-01 20:04       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-01 13:31     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] test-lib-functions: optionally keep HOME, TERM and SHELL " Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-01 20:26       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2021-09-01 21:52         ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-01 23:09           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-02 13:10             ` Philippe Blain
2021-09-01 13:31     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] test-lib-functions: optionally keep HOME and TERM in 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:20     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] test-lib-functions.sh: keep user's HOME, TERM and SHELL for 'test_pause' and 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:20       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] test-lib-functions: use 'TEST_SHELL_PATH' in 'test_pause' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:20       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] test-lib-functions: optionally keep HOME, TERM and SHELL " Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:20       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] test-lib-functions: keep user's debugger config files and TERM in 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:38       ` [PATCH v5 0/3] test-lib-functions.sh: keep user's HOME, TERM and SHELL for 'test_pause' and 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:38         ` [PATCH v5 1/3] test-lib-functions: use 'TEST_SHELL_PATH' in 'test_pause' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:38         ` [PATCH v5 2/3] test-lib-functions: optionally keep HOME, TERM and SHELL " Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-06  4:39         ` [PATCH v5 3/3] test-lib-functions: keep user's debugger config files and TERM in 'debug' Philippe Blain via GitGitGadget
2021-09-07  6:24         ` [PATCH v5 0/3] test-lib-functions.sh: keep user's HOME, TERM and SHELL for 'test_pause' and 'debug' Elijah Newren

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