From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_CSS, URIBL_CSS_A shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80231F953 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 2021 19:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S236796AbhKHTTR (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Nov 2021 14:19:17 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com ([64.147.108.70]:57438 "EHLO pb-smtp1.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S236660AbhKHTTQ (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Nov 2021 14:19:16 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp1.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760F4EDE2D; Mon, 8 Nov 2021 14:16:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=n59cIpYhtKB4UDKDlc6fD3bQImtRAHeifUiyem 8yC08=; b=sm32I6An1edZZj+jYTIBZY0VBp8/X0GtSkbkvDg2sCCkRFTMFg6ip+ Vc4fs5e1kfc5YlECRR5pJfy6vVEVW6cmOTVacvFeyQC9wns1YnfrR9Kdoyt5/fYe 0ufCBWc0M9kUJkQtqeRZlXptXBlC0HQhyKmUvhaysXDgS2uF8WWdk= Received: from pb-smtp1.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E756EDE2C; Mon, 8 Nov 2021 14:16:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [104.133.2.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp1.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEE3CEDE2A; Mon, 8 Nov 2021 14:16:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Taylor Blau Cc: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , Jeff King , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: move some test-tools to 'unstable plumbing' built-ins References: <211106.86fss9hq3f.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2021 11:16:29 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Taylor Blau's message of "Sun, 7 Nov 2021 12:06:13 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 611E1894-40C8-11EC-A8CB-62A2C8D8090B-77302942!pb-smtp1.pobox.com Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Taylor Blau writes: > In my experience I *rarely* rely on test-helpers when debugging wedged > repositories, and much more often end up either in gdb, or in an > anonymized copy of the repository on a different server. I would imagine > that others have similar experiences. > > So unless we had a much more compelling reason to have the test helpers > more readily available, I do not think that the risk our users will > begin to depend on these unstable tools is worth taking. OK. It sounds like a sensible argument against such a change. Thanks.