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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: Martin <git@mfriebe.de>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: changing the experimental 'git switch'
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 10:06:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq5ytl2fvb.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <211025.86tuh5gtcc.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> ("Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason"'s message of "Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:48:47 +0200")

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> writes:

>> So, it probably makes sense to be more selective that what are
>> sensibly copied and what are not.  Reflog most likely does not
>> belong to the "sensibly copyable" set.  Tracking info most likely
>> does.  Among various configuration in branch.OLD.*, there may be
>> things like description that are not sensibly copyable.
>
> It is a bit weird, but the main problem is that we'll use it for UI such
> as @{-1} or whatever in addition to things like "x days ago". So if you
> copy a branch for some ad-hoc testing, and were just running such a
> command you might expend it to work.

The event of new branch "creation" onward should be recorded to the
reflog of the newly created branch.  As of X days ago, the new
branch did not even exist, so that is not a good excuse to copy the
reflog.

Also @{-1} comes from the reflog of HEAD, which is different from
what we are discussing.

> For a user it also maps nicely to the mental model you'd have if you
> copied two directories with the "-p" option to "cp", i.e. you'll be able
> to run a "find" command on that checking mtime of N days ago and the
> like.
>
> Maybe it still doesn't make sense for those cases just some thoughts on
> UX edge cases.

To me, it makes no sense, with these analogies.  If I make a copy of
a file one month old with timestamp copied, I may appreciate that
the newly created copy hasn't yet been touched by looking at the old
timestamp, but that does not necessarily mean that I want to pretend
that the new file was there from that old date, or I want to pretend
that the last time the new file was edited before that was at an
even old time.

If I were renaming a branch, that is a totally different story.  In
the mental model, the "identity" of the branch did not change, only
the label that I use to refer to it (called "name") has changed.

But I do not expect copying to split and give half the identity of
the original to the new one.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-25 17:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-21 11:55 Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20 Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:55 ` [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 12:30   ` Son Luong Ngoc
2021-10-26 20:14   ` scripting speedups [was: [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas] Eric Wong
2021-10-30 19:58     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-03  9:24       ` test suite speedups via some not-so-crazy ideas (was: scripting speedups[...]) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-03 22:12         ` test suite speedups via some not-so-crazy ideas Junio C Hamano
2021-11-02 13:52     ` scripting speedups [was: [Summit topic] Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas] Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:55 ` [Summit topic] SHA-256 Updates Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Server-side merge/rebase: needs and wants? Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  3:06   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-10-22 10:01     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-23 20:52       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-08 18:21   ` Taylor Blau
2021-11-09  2:15     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-30 10:06       ` Christian Couder
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Submodules and how to make them worth using Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Sparse checkout behavior and plans Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] The state of getting a reftable backend working in git.git Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-25 19:00   ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2021-10-25 22:09     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-26  8:12       ` Han-Wen Nienhuys
2021-10-28 14:17         ` Philip Oakley
2021-10-26 15:51       ` Philip Oakley
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Documentation (translations, FAQ updates, new user-focused, general improvements, etc.) Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22 14:20   ` Jean-Noël Avila
2021-10-22 14:31     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-27  7:02       ` Jean-Noël Avila
2021-10-27  8:50       ` Jeff King
2021-10-21 11:56 ` [Summit topic] Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc) Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 12:55   ` Son Luong Ngoc
2021-10-22 10:02     ` vale check, was " Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22 10:03       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 11:57 ` [Summit topic] Improving Git UX Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 16:45   ` changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-21 23:03     ` changing the experimental 'git switch' Junio C Hamano
2021-10-22  3:33     ` changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX) Bagas Sanjaya
2021-10-22 14:04     ` martin
2021-10-22 14:24       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22 15:30         ` martin
2021-10-23  8:27           ` changing the experimental 'git switch' Sergey Organov
2021-10-22 21:54         ` Sergey Organov
2021-10-24  6:54       ` changing the experimental 'git switch' (was: [Summit topic] Improving Git UX) Martin
2021-10-24 20:27         ` changing the experimental 'git switch' Junio C Hamano
2021-10-25 12:48           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-25 17:06             ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2021-10-25 16:44     ` Sergey Organov
2021-10-25 22:23       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-27 18:54         ` Sergey Organov
2021-10-21 11:57 ` [Summit topic] Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, etc) Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-21 13:41   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2021-10-22 22:06     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-10-22  8:02 ` Missing notes, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20 Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  8:22   ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  8:30     ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  9:07       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-22  9:44 ` Let's have public Git chalk talks, " Johannes Schindelin
2021-10-25 12:58   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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