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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stefan Beller" <sbeller@google.com>,
	gitgitgadget@gmail.com, git <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] pack-objects: add --sparse option
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:39:04 +0900
Message-ID: <xmqq36rjmgqf.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1e9d4d2d-561e-fcbc-48cf-374dcb9ce009@gmail.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Thu, 29 Nov 2018 09:20:29 -0500")

Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:

> You're right that having this hidden as an opt-in config variable
> makes it hard to discover as a typical user.
>
> I would argue that we should actually make the config setting true by
> default, and recommend that servers opt-out. Here are my reasons:
>
> 1. The vast majority of users are clients.
>
> 2. Client users are not likely to know about and tweak these settings.
>
> 3. Server users are more likely to keep an eye on the different knobs
> they can tweak.
>
> 4. Servers should use the reachability bitmaps, which don't use this
> logic anyway.
>
> While _eventually_ we should make this opt-out, we shouldn't do that
> until it has cooked a while.

I actually do not agree.  If the knob gives enough benefit, the
users will learn about it viva voce, and in a few more releases
we'll hear "enough users complain that they have to turn it on,
let's make it the default".  If that does not happen, the knob
does not deserve to be turned on in the first place.

The same applies to many shiny new toys people are discussing
recently on this list (e.g. precious vs expendable and non-overlay
checkout are the ones that immediately come to my mind).

Having said that, I won't be commenting on this shiny new toy before
the final.  I want to see more people help tying the loose ends and
give it final varnish to the upcoming release, as it seems to have
become rockier and larger release than we originally anticipated.

  reply index

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-28 21:52 [PATCH 0/5] Add a new "sparse" tree walk algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-28 21:52 ` [PATCH 1/5] revision: add mark_tree_uninteresting_sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-28 21:52 ` [PATCH 2/5] list-objects: consume sparse tree walk Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-28 21:52 ` [PATCH 3/5] pack-objects: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-28 22:11   ` Stefan Beller
2018-11-29 14:20     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-30  2:39       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2018-11-30 15:53         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-28 21:52 ` [PATCH 4/5] revision: implement sparse algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-28 21:52 ` [PATCH 5/5] pack-objects: create pack.useSparse setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-28 22:18 ` [PATCH 0/5] Add a new "sparse" tree walk algorithm Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-11-29  4:05   ` Derrick Stolee
2018-11-29 14:24 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-29 14:24   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] revision: add mark_tree_uninteresting_sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-29 14:24   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] list-objects: consume sparse tree walk Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-29 14:24   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] pack-objects: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-29 14:24   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] revision: implement sparse algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-29 14:24   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] pack-objects: create pack.useSparse setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-11-29 14:24   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] pack-objects: create GIT_TEST_PACK_SPARSE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-10 16:42   ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Add a new "sparse" tree walk algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-10 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 1/6] revision: add mark_tree_uninteresting_sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-10 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 2/6] list-objects: consume sparse tree walk Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-10 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 3/6] pack-objects: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-10 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] revision: implement sparse algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-10 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] pack-objects: create pack.useSparse setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-10 16:42     ` [PATCH v3 6/6] pack-objects: create GIT_TEST_PACK_SPARSE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-14 21:22     ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Add a new "sparse" tree walk algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-14 21:22       ` [PATCH v4 1/6] revision: add mark_tree_uninteresting_sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-11 19:43         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-11 20:25           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-11 22:05             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-12-14 21:22       ` [PATCH v4 2/6] list-objects: consume sparse tree walk Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-11 23:20         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-14 21:22       ` [PATCH v4 3/6] pack-objects: add --sparse option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-11 22:30         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-15 15:06           ` Derrick Stolee
2019-01-15 18:23             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-14 21:22       ` [PATCH v4 4/6] revision: implement sparse algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-14 23:32         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-12-17 14:20           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-12-17 14:26             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-12-17 14:50               ` Derrick Stolee
2019-01-11 23:20         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-12-14 21:22       ` [PATCH v4 5/6] pack-objects: create pack.useSparse setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2018-12-14 21:22       ` [PATCH v4 6/6] pack-objects: create GIT_TEST_PACK_SPARSE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-16 18:25       ` [PATCH v5 0/5] Add a new "sparse" tree walk algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-16 18:25         ` [PATCH v5 1/5] revision: add mark_tree_uninteresting_sparse Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-16 18:25         ` [PATCH v5 2/5] list-objects: consume sparse tree walk Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-16 18:25         ` [PATCH v5 3/5] revision: implement sparse algorithm Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-16 18:26         ` [PATCH v5 4/5] pack-objects: create pack.useSparse setting Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2019-01-16 18:26         ` [PATCH v5 5/5] pack-objects: create GIT_TEST_PACK_SPARSE Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget

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