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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Lars Schneider <larsxschneider@gmail.com>
Cc: lars.schneider@autodesk.com, git@vger.kernel.org, tboegi@web.de,
	j6t@kdbg.org, sunshine@sunshineco.com, peff@peff.net,
	ramsay@ramsayjones.plus.com, Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/7] convert: add support for different encodings
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:04:53 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq1shk7o2y.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DC552BF4-3E87-41E0-BF92-4BA9633D374E@gmail.com> (Lars Schneider's message of "Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:42:35 +0100")

Lars Schneider <larsxschneider@gmail.com> writes:

>> One thing I find more problematic is that the above places *too*
>> much stress on the UTF-8 centric worldview.  It is perfectly valid
>> to store your text contents encoded in ShiftJIS and check them out
>> as-is, with or without this patch.  It is grossly misleading to say
>> that older versions of Git will check them out in UTF-8.  "will
>> checkout these files as-is without encoding conversion" is a better
>> way to say it, probably.
>
> True. But that's not what I wanted to say in the "pitfalls" section.
> If my Git client supports w-t-e and I add the ShiftJIS encoded
> file "foo.bar" to my repository, then Git will store the file as
> UTF-8 _internally_. That means if you clone my repository and your 
> Git client does _not_ support w-t-e, then you will see "foo.bar" as 
> UTF-8 encoded.

What you wrote implies *more* than that, which is what I had trouble
with.

If you say "what you have is checked out as-is", then it is still
clear that those who use w-t-e to convert non UTF-8 into UTF-8 when
checking in will get UTF-8 out when they use an older version of
Git.  If you say "what you have will be checked out in UTF-8", it
makes it sound as if pre w-t-e Git will somehow reject non UTF-8
in-tree contents, or magically convert anything to UTF-8 while
checking out, which is *not* what you want to imply.

>> Also notice that even in the world with w-t-e, such a project won't
>> benefit from w-t-e at all.  After all, they have been happy using
>> ShiftJIS in repository and using the same encoding on the working
>> tree, and because w-t-e assumes that everybody should be using UTF-8
>> internally, such a project cannot take advantage of the new
>> mechanism.
>
> Agreed. However, people using ShiftJIS are not my target audience.

Be aware that you are writing *not* *solely* for your target
audience.  You write document for everybody, and make sure the
description of a feature makes it clear who the feature primarily
targets and how using (or not using) the feature affects users.


      parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-16 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-15 15:27 [PATCH v7 0/7] convert: add support for different encodings lars.schneider
2018-02-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 1/7] strbuf: remove unnecessary NUL assignment in xstrdup_tolower() lars.schneider
2018-02-16 12:55   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-02-16 18:45     ` Jeff King
2018-02-16 19:30       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 2/7] strbuf: add xstrdup_toupper() lars.schneider
2018-02-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 3/7] utf8: add function to detect prohibited UTF-16/32 BOM lars.schneider
2018-02-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 4/7] utf8: add function to detect a missing " lars.schneider
2018-02-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 5/7] convert: add 'working-tree-encoding' attribute lars.schneider
2018-02-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 6/7] convert: add tracing for " lars.schneider
2018-02-15 15:27 ` [PATCH v7 7/7] convert: add round trip check based on 'core.checkRoundtripEncoding' lars.schneider
2018-02-15 20:03 ` [PATCH v7 0/7] convert: add support for different encodings Junio C Hamano
2018-02-15 22:09   ` Jeff King
2018-02-16 18:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-16 19:25       ` Jeff King
2018-02-16 19:27         ` Jeff King
2018-02-16 19:41           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-21 18:06       ` Lars Schneider
2018-02-16 14:42   ` Lars Schneider
2018-02-16 16:58     ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-02-22 20:00       ` Lars Schneider
2018-02-22 20:12         ` Jeff King
2018-02-23 16:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 20:11           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-24 15:18             ` Lars Schneider
2018-02-26  1:44               ` Jeff King
2018-02-26 17:35                 ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-02-26 20:46                   ` Jeff King
2018-02-27 21:05                     ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-02-27 21:25                       ` Jeff King
2018-02-27 21:55                         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-27 21:58                           ` Jeff King
2018-02-27 22:10                             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-27 22:20                               ` Jeff King
2018-02-28  8:20                         ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-02-28 13:21                           ` Jeff King
2018-02-28 17:42                             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-03-01  7:49                               ` Jeff King
2018-03-04 10:16                             ` Torsten Bögershausen
2018-02-28 20:46                         ` Lars Schneider
2018-02-16 19:04     ` Junio C Hamano [this message]

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