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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, git@jeffhostetler.com, peff@peff.net,
	jonathantanmy@google.com, szeder.dev@gmail.com,
	sbeller@google.com, Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 02/13] graph: add commit graph design document
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:42:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq1shf2v8d.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1519066406-81663-3-git-send-email-dstolee@microsoft.com> (Derrick Stolee's message of "Mon, 19 Feb 2018 13:53:15 -0500")

Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:

> +2. Walking the entire graph to avoid topological order mistakes.

You have at least one more mention of "topological order mistakes"
below, but we commonly refer to this issue and blame it for "clock
skew".  Using the word highlights that there is no "mistake" in topo
order algorithm and mistakes are in the commit timestamps.

> +In practice, we expect some commits to be created recently and not stored
> +in the commit graph. We can treat these commits as having "infinite"
> +generation number and walk until reaching commits with known generation
> +number.

Hmm, "pretend infinity" is an interesting approach---I need to think
about it a bit more if it is sufficient.

> +- .graph files are managed only by the 'commit-graph' builtin. These are not
> +  updated automatically during clone, fetch, repack, or creating new commits.

OK.  s/builtin/subcommand/; it does not make much difference if it
is a built-in or standalone command.

> +- There is no 'verify' subcommand for the 'commit-graph' builtin to verify
> +  the contents of the graph file agree with the contents in the ODB.

I am not entirely sure about the merit of going into this level of
detail.  Being able to use only a single file looks like a more
fundamental design limitation, which deserves to be decribed in this
section, and we could ship the subsystem with that limitation.

But the lack of verify that can be called from fsck is merely the
matter of not the subsystem being mature enough (to be written,
reviewed and tested) and not a fundamental one, and we will not be
shipping the subsystem until that limitation is lifted.

So I'd guess that we prefer this bullet item to be in the commit log
message, not here, that describes the current status of the
development (as opposed to the state of the subsystem).

> +- Generation numbers are not computed in the current version. The file
> +  format supports storing them, along with a mechanism to upgrade from
> +  a file without generation numbers to one that uses them.

Exactly the same comment as above applies to this item.

> +- The commit graph is currently incompatible with commit grafts. This can be
> +  remedied by duplicating or refactoring the current graft logic.

Hmm.  Can it be lifted without first allowing us to use more than
one commit graph file (i.e. one for "traverse while honoring the
grafts", the other for "traverse while ignoring the grafts")?

> +- After computing and storing generation numbers, we must make graph
> +  walks aware of generation numbers to gain the performance benefits they
> +  enable. This will mostly be accomplished by swapping a commit-date-ordered
> +  priority queue with one ordered by generation number. The following
> +  operations are important candidates:
> +
> +    - paint_down_to_common()
> +    - 'log --topo-order'

Yes.

> +- The graph currently only adds commits to a previously existing graph.
> +  When writing a new graph, we could check that the ODB still contains
> +  the commits and choose to remove the commits that are deleted from the
> +  ODB. For performance reasons, this check should remain optional.

The last sentence is somehow unconvincing.  It probably is not
appropriate for the "Future Work" section to be making a hurried
design decision before having any working verification code to run
benchmark on.

> +- Currently, parse_commit_gently() requires filling in the root tree
> +  object for a commit. This passes through lookup_tree() and consequently
> +  lookup_object(). Also, it calls lookup_commit() when loading the parents.
> +  These method calls check the ODB for object existence, even if the
> +  consumer does not need the content. For example, we do not need the
> +  tree contents when computing merge bases. Now that commit parsing is
> +  removed from the computation time, these lookup operations are the
> +  slowest operations keeping graph walks from being fast. Consider
> +  loading these objects without verifying their existence in the ODB and
> +  only loading them fully when consumers need them. Consider a method
> +  such as "ensure_tree_loaded(commit)" that fully loads a tree before
> +  using commit->tree.

Very good idea.

> +- The current design uses the 'commit-graph' builtin to generate the graph.
> +  When this feature stabilizes enough to recommend to most users, we should
> +  add automatic graph writes to common operations that create many commits.
> +  For example, one coulde compute a graph on 'clone', 'fetch', or 'repack'
> +  commands.

s/coulde/could/.

Also do not forget "fsck" that calls "verify".  That is more urgent
than intergration with any other subcommand.

> +- A server could provide a commit graph file as part of the network protocol
> +  to avoid extra calculations by clients.

We need to assess the riskiness and threat models regarding this, if
we really want to follow this "could" through.  I would imagine that
the cost for verification is comparable to the cost for regenerating,
in which case it may not be worth doing this _unless_ the user opts
into it saying that the other side over the wire is trusted without
any reservation.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-20 21:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-30 21:39 [PATCH v2 00/14] Serialized Git Commit Graph Derrick Stolee
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] commit-graph: add format document Derrick Stolee
2018-02-01 21:44   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] graph: add commit graph design document Derrick Stolee
2018-01-31  2:19   ` Stefan Beller
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] commit-graph: create git-commit-graph builtin Derrick Stolee
2018-02-02  0:53   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] commit-graph: implement construct_commit_graph() Derrick Stolee
2018-02-01 22:23   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-01 23:46   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-02 15:32   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-05 16:06     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-07 15:08       ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-07 15:10         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --write Derrick Stolee
2018-02-01 23:33   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-02 18:36     ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-02 22:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-03  1:58         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-03  9:28           ` Jeff King
2018-02-05 18:48             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-06 18:55               ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-01 23:48   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-05 18:07     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-02  1:47   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --read Derrick Stolee
2018-01-31  2:22   ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-02  0:02   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-02  0:23   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-05 19:29     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --update-head Derrick Stolee
2018-02-02  1:35   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-05 21:01     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-02  2:45   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] commit-graph: implement git-commit-graph --clear Derrick Stolee
2018-02-02  4:01   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] commit-graph: teach git-commit-graph --delete-expired Derrick Stolee
2018-02-02 15:04   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] commit-graph: add core.commitgraph setting Derrick Stolee
2018-01-31 22:44   ` Igor Djordjevic
2018-02-02 16:01   ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] commit: integrate commit graph with commit parsing Derrick Stolee
2018-02-02  1:51   ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-06 14:53     ` Derrick Stolee
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] commit-graph: read only from specific pack-indexes Derrick Stolee
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] commit-graph: close under reachability Derrick Stolee
2018-01-30 21:39 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] commit-graph: build graph from starting commits Derrick Stolee
2018-01-30 21:47 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] Serialized Git Commit Graph Stefan Beller
2018-02-01  2:34   ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-08 20:37 ` [PATCH v3 " Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 01/14] commit-graph: add format document Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 21:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-08 21:33       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 23:16         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 02/14] graph: add commit graph design document Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 03/14] commit-graph: create git-commit-graph builtin Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 21:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-08 21:36       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 23:21         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 04/14] commit-graph: implement write_commit_graph() Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 22:14     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-15 18:19     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-15 18:23       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 05/14] commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph write' Derrick Stolee
2018-02-13 21:57     ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 06/14] commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph read' Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 23:38     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 07/14] commit-graph: update graph-head during write Derrick Stolee
2018-02-12 18:56     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-12 20:37       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-12 21:24         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-13 22:38     ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 08/14] commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph clear' Derrick Stolee
2018-02-13 22:49     ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 09/14] commit-graph: implement --delete-expired Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 10/14] commit-graph: add core.commitGraph setting Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 11/14] commit: integrate commit graph with commit parsing Derrick Stolee
2018-02-14  0:12     ` Jonathan Tan
2018-02-14 18:08       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-15 18:25     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 12/14] commit-graph: close under reachability Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 13/14] commit-graph: read only from specific pack-indexes Derrick Stolee
2018-02-08 20:37   ` [PATCH v3 14/14] commit-graph: build graph from starting commits Derrick Stolee
2018-02-09 13:02     ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-09 13:45       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-14 18:15   ` [PATCH v3 00/14] Serialized Git Commit Graph Derrick Stolee
2018-02-14 18:27     ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-14 19:11       ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53     ` [PATCH v4 00/13] " Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 01/13] commit-graph: add format document Derrick Stolee
2018-02-20 20:49         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-21 19:23         ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-21 19:45           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-21 19:48             ` Stefan Beller
2018-03-30 13:25         ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-02 13:09           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-02 14:09             ` Jakub Narebski
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 02/13] graph: add commit graph design document Derrick Stolee
2018-02-20 21:42         ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2018-02-23 15:44           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-21 19:34         ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 03/13] commit-graph: create git-commit-graph builtin Derrick Stolee
2018-02-20 21:51         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-21 18:58           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 16:07             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-26 16:25         ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-26 17:08           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 04/13] commit-graph: implement write_commit_graph() Derrick Stolee
2018-02-20 22:57         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 17:23           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-23 19:30             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 19:48               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 20:02               ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-26 16:10         ` SZEDER Gábor
2018-02-28 18:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 05/13] commit-graph: implement 'git-commit-graph write' Derrick Stolee
2018-02-21 19:25         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 06/13] commit-graph: implement git commit-graph read Derrick Stolee
2018-02-21 20:11         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-22 18:25           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 07/13] commit-graph: implement --set-latest Derrick Stolee
2018-02-22 18:31         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 17:53           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 08/13] commit-graph: implement --delete-expired Derrick Stolee
2018-02-21 21:34         ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-23 17:43           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-22 18:48         ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 17:59           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-23 19:33             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-23 19:41               ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-23 19:51                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 09/13] commit-graph: add core.commitGraph setting Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 10/13] commit-graph: close under reachability Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 11/13] commit: integrate commit graph with commit parsing Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 12/13] commit-graph: read only from specific pack-indexes Derrick Stolee
2018-02-21 22:25         ` Stefan Beller
2018-02-23 19:19           ` Derrick Stolee
2018-02-19 18:53       ` [PATCH v4 13/13] commit-graph: build graph from starting commits Derrick Stolee
2018-03-30 11:10       ` [PATCH v4 00/13] Serialized Git Commit Graph Jakub Narebski
2018-04-02 13:02         ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-02 14:46           ` Jakub Narebski
2018-04-02 15:02             ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-02 17:35               ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-02 17:54                 ` Derrick Stolee
2018-04-02 18:02                   ` Stefan Beller
2018-04-07 22:37               ` Jakub Narebski

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