From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB371F462 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 18:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726922AbfFMSXi (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:23:38 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com ([173.228.157.53]:55615 "EHLO pb-smtp21.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725889AbfFMSXi (ORCPT ); Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:23:38 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A8C60C95; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:23:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=JnayyZs8h5O6cO1ia07b/4YVjDg=; b=lC7da0 oOJ2lV5zWLxtvfI5hk/Ha8cnnd7ICMfbIPXDPGiZ5OrCEFaOkzXsRYhpQD8pwuBo TsAZx+fuE9FsueuQ7Cg/SvjzkncOFR+aHjL3Q3d8Xrv+rfc3XznwQ6nFN25kkw4i 3d5SZUbQE8pu7P9xRtq+wMa9y3lWVMDjgVgUw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; q=dns; s=sasl; b=C/IlmR4lIFyeBuhMAVSJH2qOgItjcAh2 1I/5dLeXc1R7gDKi40b1iRcaSnV2AMTqFTgFZxWnQUaVgeKG0KJCWjiOn28ZQHhd bcHgAQwcOfyIScD3AZQ3HCISvZwiKgGFvhlz0Uy5WGve/viq5JddEo5BYZphKXZ7 xOVNNWFwHqk= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3037D60C94; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:23:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [34.76.80.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A95960C90; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:23:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Paul Smith Cc: "git\@vger.kernel.org" Subject: Re: Reducing git size by building libgit.so References: <21f1f334-755e-3283-d0da-ec0ab9231cfc@ucdenver.edu> <20190611234815.GB8616@genre.crustytoothpaste.net> <9c488ce8c1e1e6d6d4c343b0b40c8a64c8147a7f.camel@mad-scientist.net> <13c40b4b819f702a52f7039177579f87fa90aa50.camel@mad-scientist.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 11:23:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: <13c40b4b819f702a52f7039177579f87fa90aa50.camel@mad-scientist.net> (Paul Smith's message of "Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:28:10 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 59924412-8E08-11E9-8205-8D86F504CC47-77302942!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Paul Smith writes: > I assumed that we were discussing providing an _option_ of building > with shared libraries, rather than removing support for static > libraries and only supporting shared libraries. The former is the > typical model in portable projects. > ... > So, the answer to most of the (important) issues you and Brian raise > is, "if it doesn't work, can't be made to work, is too slow, or is > annoying for ANY other reason, then don't do it". > > Regarding things like publish-ability of the API, I don't know what > else to say. It's FOSS, after all: anyone can do whatever they want > (with respect to building and using the code) regardless of the desires > of the development team. All you can do is make clear that the intent > is that the API is not stable, and if they don't listen and their stuff > breaks, well, as the saying goes, they get to keep both halves. Not > adding any header files to the installation rules and packages is also > helpful :). > > There's a certain amount of cold, hard reality that every FOSS project, > regardless of how friendly and welcoming they aspire to be, simply > can't avoid while still making progress (and staying sane). > > > I certainly don't want to minimize the amount of work involved here, > nor do I want to in any way volunteer myself to undertake any of it: as > I said, I don't have strong feelings about it. > > I'm just saying, there's no technical reason it can't be done while > maintaining the same features (such as relocatability) as the static > library installs, at least on the major platforms. > > Cheers!