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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Cc: Nipunn Koorapati <nipunn1313@gmail.com>,
	Alex Vandiver via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	Utsav Shah <utsav@dropbox.com>,
	Alex Vandiver <alexmv@dropbox.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] fsmonitor: use fsmonitor data in `git diff`
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 22:02:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqq1rhw86ur.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201018041642.GB2262492@nand.local> (Taylor Blau's message of "Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:17:47 -0400")

Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com> writes:

> Hmm. I do agree that I'd like to stay out of the business of trying to
> figure out exactly what that trade-off is (although I'm sure that it
> exists), only because it seems likely to vary to a large extent from
> repository to repository. (That is, 20% may be a good number for some
> repository, but a terrible choice for another).

I think both of you misunderstood me.  

My question was a simple yes/no "does there a trade off exist?"
question and the sentences with 20% in it were mere example of
possible trade-off I had in mind that _could_ exist.  I wasn't even
suggesting to figure out what the optimum cut-off heuristics would
be (e.g. solving "when more than N% paths are subject to diff
fsmonitor is faster" for N).

I was hoping that we can show that even having to lstat just a
single path is expensive enough---IOW, "there is no trade-off worth
worrying about, because talking to fsmonitor is so cheap compared to
the cost of even a single lstst" would have been a valid and happy
answer.  With such a number, there is no risk of introducing an
unwarranted performance regression to use cases that we did not
anticipate by adding an unconditional call to refresh_fsmonitor().

But without any rationale, the performance implication of adding an
unconditional call to refresh_fsmonitor() would become much muddier.

> But, I think that we can invoke watchman better here; the
> fsmonitor-watchman hook has no notion of a "pathspec", so every query
> just asks for everything that isn't in '$GIT_DIR'. Is there anything
> preventing us from taking an optional pathspec and building up a more
> targeted query?

Yup, it is what I had in mind when I brought up the pathspec.  It
may be something worth pursuing longer term, but not within the
scope of this patch.

> There is some overhead to invoke the hook and talk to watchman, but
> I'd expect that to be dwarfed by not having to issue O(# files)
> syscalls.

"invoke the hook"---is that a pipe+fork+exec, or something else that
is far lighter-weight?

n

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-18  5:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-17 21:04 [PATCH 0/4] use fsmonitor data in git diff eliminating O(num_files) calls to lstat Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-17 21:04 ` [PATCH 1/4] fsmonitor: use fsmonitor data in `git diff` Alex Vandiver via GitGitGadget
2020-10-17 22:25   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-18  0:54     ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-18  4:17       ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-18  5:02         ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2020-10-18 23:43           ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-19 17:23             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-19 17:37               ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-19 18:07                 ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-17 21:04 ` [PATCH 2/4] t/perf/README: elaborate on output format Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-17 21:04 ` [PATCH 3/4] t/perf/p7519-fsmonitor.sh: warm cache on first git status Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-18  4:22   ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-17 21:04 ` [PATCH 4/4] t/perf: add fsmonitor perf test for git diff Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-17 22:28   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-19 21:35 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] use fsmonitor data in git diff eliminating O(num_files) calls to lstat Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 21:35   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] fsmonitor: use fsmonitor data in `git diff` Alex Vandiver via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 21:35   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] t/perf/README: elaborate on output format Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 21:35   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] t/perf/p7519-fsmonitor.sh: warm cache on first git status Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 21:35   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] t/perf: add fsmonitor perf test for git diff Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 21:43     ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-19 21:54     ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-19 22:00       ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-19 22:02         ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-19 22:25       ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-19 22:47   ` [PATCH v3 0/7] use fsmonitor data in git diff eliminating O(num_files) calls to lstat Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 22:47     ` [PATCH v3 1/7] fsmonitor: use fsmonitor data in `git diff` Alex Vandiver via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 22:47     ` [PATCH v3 2/7] t/perf/README: elaborate on output format Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 22:47     ` [PATCH v3 3/7] t/perf/p7519-fsmonitor.sh: warm cache on first git status Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 22:47     ` [PATCH v3 4/7] t/perf: add fsmonitor perf test for git diff Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 22:47     ` [PATCH v3 5/7] perf lint: check test-lint-shell-syntax in perf tests Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20  2:38       ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-20  3:10         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-10-20  3:15           ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-20 10:16             ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-20 10:09         ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-19 22:47     ` [PATCH v3 6/7] p7519-fsmonitor: refactor to avoid code duplication Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20  2:43       ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-19 22:47     ` [PATCH v3 7/7] p7519-fsmonitor: add a git add benchmark Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-19 23:02       ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-20  2:40       ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-20 13:40     ` [PATCH v4 0/7] use fsmonitor data in git diff eliminating O(num_files) calls to lstat Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20 13:40       ` [PATCH v4 1/7] fsmonitor: use fsmonitor data in `git diff` Alex Vandiver via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20 13:40       ` [PATCH v4 2/7] t/perf/README: elaborate on output format Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20 13:41       ` [PATCH v4 3/7] t/perf/p7519-fsmonitor.sh: warm cache on first git status Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20 13:41       ` [PATCH v4 4/7] t/perf: add fsmonitor perf test for git diff Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20 13:41       ` [PATCH v4 5/7] perf lint: add make test-lint to perf tests Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20 22:06         ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-20 22:17           ` Nipunn Koorapati
2020-10-20 22:19             ` Taylor Blau
2020-10-20 13:41       ` [PATCH v4 6/7] p7519-fsmonitor: refactor to avoid code duplication Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget
2020-10-20 13:41       ` [PATCH v4 7/7] p7519-fsmonitor: add a git add benchmark Nipunn Koorapati via GitGitGadget

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