From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Takashi Iwai Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:50:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7vprnzt7d5.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <1219664940.9583.42.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <7vy72kek6y.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <20080826145719.GB5046@coredump.intra.peff.net> <1219764860.4471.13.camel@gaara.bos.redhat.com> <1219766398.7107.87.camel@pmac.infradead.org> <20080826182349.0a1a75e2@hyperion.delvare> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: David Woodhouse , Kristian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F8gsb?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?erg?= , Johannes Schindelin , users@kernel.org, Jeff King , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org To: Jean Delvare X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Tue Aug 26 18:51:44 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KY1lW-0000dP-Jf for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:51:35 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756953AbYHZQua convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:50:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755869AbYHZQu3 (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:50:29 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:40193 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753401AbYHZQu3 (ORCPT ); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:50:29 -0400 Received: from Relay1.suse.de (mail2.suse.de [195.135.221.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151134622E; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:50:28 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20080826182349.0a1a75e2@hyperion.delvare> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.12.0 (Your Wildest Dreams) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.7 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Sanj=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.2 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: At Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:49 +0200, Jean Delvare wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:59:58 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:34 -0400, Kristian H=F8gsberg wrote: > > > It's pretty normal to see opponents of a decision like this compl= ain > > > loudly when it lands on their system, whereas the silent majority= in > > > favour will be happy to see the change finally implemented but re= luctant > > > to stir up the discussion again. > > >=20 > > > I don't think new arguments are brought to the discussion, just n= ew > > > people, who are temporarily inconvened by a change towards sanity= =2E > >=20 > > Nice emotive response, especially the subtle but unsubstantiated 's= ilent > > majority in favour' bit -- but you forgot the part where you were > > supposed to actually point out a tangible benefit which is achieved= by > > breaking compatibility like this. > >=20 > > And no, reducing the size of /usr/bin by a tiny fraction isn't real= ly a > > worthwhile benefit -- in reality, the 'silent majority' really coul= dn't > > give a monkey's left testicle about that, and breakage caused by th= e > > gratuitous change _far_ outweighs any minuscule improvement. >=20 > Reducing /usr/bin in size was totally worthwhile. Maybe not to you, b= ut > to the silent majority I am a proud member of, it was. (I'm not sayin= g > that the path that was taken to get there was optimal, just that the > goal was sound.) >=20 > I just can't think of any other tool which installs over 100 binaries > (or scripts, that's the same) in /usr/bin. Can you? netpbm has almost 300 in /usr/bin. Takashi