From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D531F670 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 08:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232032AbhJVIcn (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 04:32:43 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:60493 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231773AbhJVIcm (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 04:32:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1634891424; bh=7E8267gcyjeG5xV38/142eCw/6fDPEryKi+VAYmPCMI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=jdkYjpmK2CPVHmU26eg8qmpGYY95UgUTTYNDgKK3H6dMHat6v5LKRPSJbc+856gjE vLH/XMN9xk1QRQs29kBENXlQEYyAG9KEvAnh8mkZ/qztaa6RfzepHY0Gs0pH5YwhEO GreHUmW6zBOhbz+ZKrVL6xoNRmvC38CSzy5wyrws= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [172.24.19.78] ([89.1.213.179]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N5mGB-1mkBa72m5L-017I4F for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:30:24 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:30:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@gitforwindows.org To: git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Missing notes, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="8323328-134392965-1634891104=:62" Content-ID: X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qS/LJ7TZjaSABbjP/pqnIIsXgE4w7/DFfDaLqCcMAj1EepdGKKO LJAvfFOe1Mbh3IUHyCG79qQ4Caofm5nsY6dubC7FAamWM1YzJI9y2e/iHhp3+rug3cGZIOm gtaWM9H004htcCHWttROudeN+4Z2/PgBJZ299kgPygitQZIXMSpQD1uv/chccCxJvyXr5VN /X5R/65nImcNLvA5/YR0g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Gvt0dIzGx+M=:9u1n0B4vnFVzfO30bm4aLE rvpuiL0shbF2NReE1Vf9MgY4bQX8sLQbDNAbTgIUYb7pseAlVnD80h+NhwDR5Tf6WKQK0Xuea kND8+CcMGUzDpTxRUCyN55Qq3ENbDPR6VWJjkiry5fiCto80pIrgRUfxdG8pnV2R+raQqF07l 6JgMVPAzDbb1S4P+/6/g6Xt31x/T8wNbTkfanGKi65WgetVVrVe+iO4tCsoMO8t2ba3BBYW7W 5csl7d8D1TX5lp2Bsld2qA95q5GsMOPZSVMFK2ybuxPcGVYrbgHP+PqENxCy/2W2jPjR6tQLh 2UpVRz9dO9yILx1IlGlnpTkjWGry70DjMui2PQBiV3akn8Rlhv4wztdgJuTUff8TIWNh5Yvpj JSAKdMp9uMXg21hTan0LdrIuXM0yfx3hpXonlrMr0DI/S760GBThkYgmuZp8ph1QTVVbq4iSG /GnBfbobn4c8iDdI/WljjwL/M+ao3OTPHUsuwASQidAGXSB2aBbyNVFdGQu0f2qbjRB8Qn5Zg P98rxyf7+xDKmBSmf2r2KZtZUSMAIObcbGqAqmyTvUnE0ihm9YsN3aJj+XERao0e7ysJfer6/ 8wG0XS3hVIqtPN52FY5nEPD7O88vj6xMIfU+uc+Acbcw/jBQbqA4vVcUiMrbzUzEz6tFaIuAa Lh9ubbyyxrxb0L9UzX3miwBJu4UuxCBtRxZxFVVzkEIpYuaa23a3aj9aJxe8Bets1vTSK/Q+T eE7Y+BRh9HAldTzzrEaGrSYUD+FSz1/yMRTb/lUOc2tnIDb46R83ekMjU/RpOXnXOBQTc1ZRH 96c9T/GQ4lNWLuDg8IqzI8JkJVXv/kcEK0BkCFpwAq2s5Mi8BdeoMqiwDy3abhepngQApyU/B owCztQIKRPkXJ0Cb91z+foSX5yrZftOiOfoxRK5bIF+yNbR0A79YgKgy+PqcaVHabTevKU07C ELsv7RH2iKc4jiE/MkHBzoP7C6qYTDeQOD/KLgN2iGgl9ZULuwGFXowWyYIXI6GfOG49sT1sw CyfcwzMSN/9LdmjidNl4a155Wb3rfkOBtT4mazr6qpktVIF4r1SFAlJ2AlPzohTxjx7o66B+j 0fQxM50Z9qrWIg= Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-134392965-1634891104=:62 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: Continuing... (2nd try, with redactions) On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > I tried to reply with the full notes, which failed. So I'll try again, > this time in chunks. > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > > Team, > > > > > > we held our second all-virtual Summit over the past two days. It was= the > > > traditional unconference style meeting, with topics being proposed a= nd > > > voted on right before the introduction round. It was really good to = see > > > the human faces behind those email addresses. > > > > > > 32 contributors participated, and we spanned the timezones from PST = to > > > IST. To make that possible, the event took place on two days, from > > > 1500-1900 UTC, which meant that the attendees from the US West coast= had > > > to get up really early, while it was past midnight in India at the e= nd. > > > > > > I would like to thank all participants for accommodating the time, a= nd in > > > particular for creating such a friendly, collaborative atmosphere. > > > > > > A particular shout-out to Jonathan Nieder, Emily Shaffer and Derrick > > > Stolee for taking notes. I am going to send out these notes in per-t= opic > > > subthreads, replying to this mail. > > > > > > Day 1 topics: > > > > > > * Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas > > > * SHA-256 Updates > > > * Server-side merge/rebase: needs and wants? > > > * Submodules and how to make them worth using > > > * Sparse checkout behavior and plans > > > > > > Day 2 topics: > > > > > > * The state of getting a reftable backend working in git.git > > > * Documentation (translations, FAQ updates, new user-focused, genera= l > > > improvements, etc.) > > > * Let's have public Git chalk talks > > > > You might wonder why I did not send out the notes for this talk. > > > > But that is not true! I sent it 6 times already, in various variations= , > > and it never came through (but I did get two nastygrams telling me tha= t my > > message was rejected because it apparently triggered a filter). > > This session was led by Emily Shaffer. Supporting cast: =C3=86var Arnfj= =C3=B6r=C3=B0 > Bjarmason, brian m. carlson, CB Bailey, and Junio Hamano. > > Notes: > > 1. What=E2=80=99s a public chalk talk? > > 1. At Google, once a week, the team meets up with no particular to= pic in > mind, or a couple topics, very informal > > 2. One person=E2=80=99s turn each week to give an informal talk wi= th a white > board (not using chalk) > > 3. Topic should be technical and of interest to the presenter > > 4. For example: how does protocol v2 work > > 5. Collaborative, interactive user session > > 6. Helps by learning about things > > 7. Helps by honing skills like presentation skills > > 8. A lot of (good) humility involved. For example, colleagues who = have > been familiar with the project for a long time admitting they d= on=E2=80=99t > know, or have been wrong about things. Makes others feel more > comfortable with their perceived lack of knowledge > > 9. Could be good for everybody on the Git mailing list, might fost= er less > combative communication on the list > > 10. Might be a way to attract new people by presenting =E2=80=9Cold= timers=E2=80=9D as > humble > > 2. Does that appeal to anybody else? [redacting a word I suspect to have triggered vger's filter: it is a word starting with "T" and continuing with "witch". Whenever you read "[itch]", that's what I substitued for the culprit] 3. =C3=86var: I think it would be great, has been a long time we=E2=80= =99ve seen each other, and already feels different 4. One thing to keep in mind: it=E2=80=99s hard to program on a white bo= ard :-) 5. Emily: some challenges: 1. How often? 2. What time? 3. Probably move things around (because we=E2=80=99re global) 4. Tech to use? Jitsi? [itch]? ([itch] seems to be particularly popul= ar to teach programming) 5. Figure out what topics to present 6. =C3=86var: does not matter what tech to use 7. Emily: some difference may make it matter: on [itch], you can record,= and they host recordings 8. One thing to worry about recording: people might be reticent to make public mistakes 9. It=E2=80=99s possible to do a [itch] stream, and not record it to be continued... > > > > > I shall keep trying, but my hopes are pretty low by now. > > > > Ciao, > > Johannes > > > > > * Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc) > > > * Improving Git UX > > > * Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, e= tc) > > > > > > A few topics were left for a later date (maybe as public Git chalk t= alks): > > > > > > * Making Git memory-leak free (already landed patches) > > > * Scaling Git > > > * Scaling ref advertisements > > > * Config-based hooks (and getting there via migration ot hook.[ch] l= ib & > > > "git hook run") > > > * Make git [clone|fetch] support pre-seeding via downloaded *.bundle= files > > > > > > Ciao, > > > Johannes > > > > > --8323328-134392965-1634891104=:62--