From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1655A1FA19 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 08:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232060AbhJVIZD (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 04:25:03 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:37563 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231984AbhJVIZB (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Oct 2021 04:25:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1634890963; bh=MxcI33tSv78fgDu5AE7v3rDLHD+XHH/8RfkY5yBKfw4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=XyexjW532KSGa0VRBssmy4EJZeMIgDPmYKTdcn4hFQqQRsGCEFFGspT+xFWOXC0Jj +dVjPYreCjd8R3lzVDiNjVNPj0L9LZusmWGHskIKIPFGtxlDWj9QFuYb1QZ8WM9DJW QhrA7vhlBcFb0XkMKyVHWyAMgaC2SQPBOTf5ARtc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [172.24.19.78] ([89.1.213.179]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MeU4y-1nEGVL1STM-00aRo5 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:22:43 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 10:22:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@gitforwindows.org To: git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Missing notes, was Re: Notes from the Git Contributors' Summit 2021, virtual, Oct 19/20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1410805247-1634890963=:62" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:aKuDVPi1DUt1CMhEFuSiJg4nL99bZD6zM8iWwWJY+UJD/xqZGwK AuSmOXtm8FUtVkiDaaNAbzftXow2GD6bv4gM8cMk3+Sx5NOkoc9pF/Imw8L7/tqJtNndcwh Upoq3B14NKYweC1gm7TrUYMvERNu6uOf1uZCkDQGk7rdnPXUsu1aN99f7z6Pk51J0Dchiwg U40tnN/0abMZw6z7Zvt5A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:hxemdi0gdY0=:PMszdFPb7O103LVpPKUpKl oWf28wjnBlZA48oaElH3PE4CLT/1OUQn125yrupf67qZSe3YVtO4qrV+ZJ7LiyLYghHGUqhgc +8fPjR//jyAZ6Vx9y4kPAHtGBJxQ7LknZI4EBo4IJwM29KrH0z9vaGop5uYyGS/5AOBXMAvOY 69rrzmisIqVkMcmJg756BY+OatRL7pXLOjccinGms6PL1wchvj3hR8JMSLrj1c2S1zrxy73t2 QlwR/9OJVg/Uz3h8JzpPhwi09lS7i0v0/0WaGv8CM8sIdyId6ExLWiV8rMfyTh5QhLpHNa2u3 oun2uhMX7R+MpqHYzeIUw4SzyQD0KrZklTzyOK1aunQVSir9q0APa0NfEcDA5dni+uyIIiIXf S6S6Ui05uPWITTxrV4RMLWVQR4Z0hFAsWeO+gGh7VQ2+8KKIBRP1X4B4DZz5v8LfXG4hNzRGt rUhdS8Jiff2GeMQxMO7VOxVDQ2cZxfM4PWFB3goeIy6PPlm1b56P2HoiWmmarcVJgAbhRNZAK CumqFJbj5n2yvQdl+hXzxTbg5i7KgVgQS3y96D+HzLLQ4B58iR1HC2OtYIXWjkZ2NygsqV4Gl hbvhH9wbHe1AyMCf8Fu2mwdFRKzyXxGPwrM9CHDJ6+ZivsR4QrL3EAFyYc1ugOW6Bd9V7yCZt NpuuwjDcUf0vHqOZiErAZXJnYj37Z6/ChGaPlOybjRUXMeDovWqgOzzWfBYkr1QKIj9t+cCR0 w5llPQsuaVdu4TXHPEz+vVzpzMxE8Ct5KfQwyBStuD5YkYwVO8aOKWsXJkAlPSwVsbq1evpYc F6pRo9maOsiU1S6p4WCYNakn1aSbd40JoRkZPqkZuMnaRo6JVh45OP7KK0IucOx8PMA11Eng8 b8/3LSpKw1e3iUx5st/K9hNZm49qYH7z5xIBjrvXwtH5HEgBMDCb4rbH1ovFk00tmemeS91M8 4aWaSt4xDq3O3FHo7RC5R2IDNbyLm1i/6br1B1xIdLhfZ4FqR3jxVM/ufqNDU1YpZw3Um6ozU nL4MRKhsYTXkyNCfPYjfP9muexDU3bNWb3OnpKRBaRScIHEDazIy9me0q7//bYcs/4vEcLtXo i8+pooRDtSzFTo= Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1410805247-1634890963=:62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team, I tried to reply with the full notes, which failed. So I'll try again, this time in chunks. On Fri, 22 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > Team, > > > > we held our second all-virtual Summit over the past two days. It was t= he > > traditional unconference style meeting, with topics being proposed and > > voted on right before the introduction round. It was really good to se= e > > the human faces behind those email addresses. > > > > 32 contributors participated, and we spanned the timezones from PST to > > IST. To make that possible, the event took place on two days, from > > 1500-1900 UTC, which meant that the attendees from the US West coast h= ad > > to get up really early, while it was past midnight in India at the end= . > > > > I would like to thank all participants for accommodating the time, and= in > > particular for creating such a friendly, collaborative atmosphere. > > > > A particular shout-out to Jonathan Nieder, Emily Shaffer and Derrick > > Stolee for taking notes. I am going to send out these notes in per-top= ic > > subthreads, replying to this mail. > > > > Day 1 topics: > > > > * Crazy (and not so crazy) ideas > > * SHA-256 Updates > > * Server-side merge/rebase: needs and wants? > > * Submodules and how to make them worth using > > * Sparse checkout behavior and plans > > > > Day 2 topics: > > > > * The state of getting a reftable backend working in git.git > > * Documentation (translations, FAQ updates, new user-focused, general > > improvements, etc.) > > * Let's have public Git chalk talks > > You might wonder why I did not send out the notes for this talk. > > But that is not true! I sent it 6 times already, in various variations, > and it never came through (but I did get two nastygrams telling me that = my > message was rejected because it apparently triggered a filter). This session was led by Emily Shaffer. Supporting cast: =C3=86var Arnfj=C3= =B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason, brian m. carlson, CB Bailey, and Junio Hamano. Notes: 1. What=E2=80=99s a public chalk talk? 1. At Google, once a week, the team meets up with no particular topi= c in mind, or a couple topics, very informal 2. One person=E2=80=99s turn each week to give an informal talk with= a white board (not using chalk) 3. Topic should be technical and of interest to the presenter 4. For example: how does protocol v2 work 5. Collaborative, interactive user session 6. Helps by learning about things 7. Helps by honing skills like presentation skills 8. A lot of (good) humility involved. For example, colleagues who ha= ve been familiar with the project for a long time admitting they don= =E2=80=99t know, or have been wrong about things. Makes others feel more comfortable with their perceived lack of knowledge 9. Could be good for everybody on the Git mailing list, might foster= less combative communication on the list 10. Might be a way to attract new people by presenting =E2=80=9Cold t= imers=E2=80=9D as humble 2. Does that appeal to anybody else? to be continued... > > I shall keep trying, but my hopes are pretty low by now. > > Ciao, > Johannes > > > * Increasing diversity & inclusion (transition to `main`, etc) > > * Improving Git UX > > * Improving reviewer quality of life (patchwork, subsystem lists?, etc= ) > > > > A few topics were left for a later date (maybe as public Git chalk tal= ks): > > > > * Making Git memory-leak free (already landed patches) > > * Scaling Git > > * Scaling ref advertisements > > * Config-based hooks (and getting there via migration ot hook.[ch] lib= & > > "git hook run") > > * Make git [clone|fetch] support pre-seeding via downloaded *.bundle f= iles > > > > Ciao, > > Johannes > > > --8323328-1410805247-1634890963=:62--