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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-706194168-1634817283=:56 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-ID: This session was led by Jonathan "jrnieder" Nieder. Supporting cast: brian "bmc" carlson, Emily Shaffer, Johannes "Dscho" Schindelin, CB Bailey, Junio Hamano, and Matthias A=C3=9Fauer. Notes: 1. Been interested in this for a long time 2. Dscho said he=E2=80=99s not able to follow everything on the mailing l= ist 1. if you have just one patch you send, reply-all works okay 2. mailing list works reasonably well if you=E2=80=99re someone like J= unio, working on it full time, has good mail filters, keeps up to date with every= thing 3. If you=E2=80=99re in-between, does not work well 3. Lessley mentioned in the Diversity & Inclusion context: 1. you send your patch, 2. want to have a solid review 3. want guidance where to go from here 4. timely feedback 5. want to know where the patch stands 6. What happens: guilt-based workflow, where reviewers reply much late= r after being prodded 4. bmc: I want some way to track patches 1. What have I reviewed before and what have I not reviewed since last time? 2. Emily: most of this exists in patchwork. Our intern Raxel Gutierrez= did work on that this summer. Alas, that doesn=E2=80=99t show up on patchwork.kernel.org because it=E2=80=99s using patchwork 2.x and t= he features are in 3.x 3. https://youtu.be/24dL8yqhYNg 5. bmc: I want some kind of bug tracking system 1. In git-lfs when I need a git feature, people are happy to send a p= atch, there=E2=80=99s no point of coordination for this. Don=E2=80=99t k= now where to send a patch, don=E2=80=99t know where to send a bug report 2. debbugs works okay, has a huge spam problem, but it works fine; em= ail based 3. Emily: Every time this comes up I go oh $&!& because this is perennially a source of dispute. I don=E2=80=99t care what tracker= we use, just want one 4. Dscho: everyone else is caught in the crossfire between jrnieder a= nd me. 5. CB: Is there an option that makes you both equally miserable? 6. bmc: Could we get kernel.org to host something? 7. jrnieder: there=E2=80=99s a bugzilla instance at bugzilla.kernel.o= rg, which might satisfy CB=E2=80=99s criterion 8. bmc: I want to have whatever we use send out to the list. That wou= ld avoid conversations going on without people in the mailing list ce= ntric workflow being aware of it. If we are all using a GitHub/GitLab ba= sed workflow then that=E2=80=99s not required 9. Emily: +1, great point 10. jrnieder: Sounds like we have some common ground so seems worth starting a mailing list thread 11. Junio: As long as I=E2=80=99m not the person operating the bug tra= cker, I=E2=80=99m happy :) 12. Dscho: Is it important to you that it sends things to the mailing = list? 13. Junio: Not really. The extra tracking conversations are not as important to me. I think it=E2=80=99s a feature that if someone re= quests a feature and nothing happens for a while that it no longer produces overhead for people is a useful feature. That kind of old filterin= g feature is sometimes valuable. 14. jrnieder: in a bug tracker, triage + common sense of priorities is= very useful. Experiences in JGit bugzilla vs the Debian bugtracker (the latter is better curated) 15. brian: I=E2=80=99m happy to volunteer to do some triage on the bug= tracker. If other people will help out and contribute, happy to do that 16. I=E2=80=99m also happy to work with kernel.org admins to get this = set up for us if that=E2=80=99s what we want 17. people would expected to be kind+helpful in interactions there, ca= n=E2=80=99t expect it to devolve into a cesspit 18. Matthias: I=E2=80=99m happy to help with triage too --8323328-706194168-1634817283=:56--