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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1204387783-1620224293=:50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Elijah, On Tue, 4 May 2021, Elijah Newren wrote: > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 3:36 AM G=C3=A1bor Farkas wrote: > > > > the "git switch" and "git restore" commands were released two years > > ago, but the manpage still says "THIS COMMAND IS EXPERIMENTAL. THE > > BEHAVIOR MAY CHANGE.". > > > > i'd love to use them, but this warning gives me pause, perhaps i > > should wait until it stops being experimental, i worry that it might > > change in behavior unexpectedly and cause problems for me. > > > > considering that they were released two years ago, could the > > experimental-warning be removed now? > > This probably makes sense. The author of switch and restore isn't > involved in the git project anymore. He decided to work on other > things, which was and is a big loss for us. I think others (myself > included) didn't know all the things that might have been in Duy's > head that he wanted to verify were working well before marking this as > good, but these two commands have generally been very well received > and it has been a few years. Personally, I'm not aware of anything > that we'd need or want to change with these commands. I think that part of the intention to mark this as experimental was to gather feedback about the commands. After all, the goal was to improve the user experience of Git (because `git checkout` does too many things, and its major accomplishment is to confuse literally every single new Git user). However, that hope never was fulfilled if I may say so, we simply did not attract the best-suited experts to this mailing list, not if what we set out was to improve usability. Which leaves us with two hard choices regarding switch/restore, none of them really being comfortable: - we scrap switch/restore because their usability is not really all that improved relative to `git checkout`. - we leave switch/restore as-are (because by now, changing the options or the design would be almost certainly disruptive to users who already tried to adopt the new commands, I being one of those users). I say that neither of them is a really splendid choice because the original goal is not only not accomplished, but I would say it is even harder now than it was when we accepted switch/restore into an official release, because of that experience with switch/restore. We simply do not have the right expertise on this list, and therefore anything we do will always have that "UX designed by an engineer" feel. So I'm not sure what to do, either. Ciao, Dscho > That said, we're only a few weeks from -rc0, and I'd rather remove the > experimental label early in a release cycle, so maybe this would be a > good thing to do after the June git-2.32 release. That'd give plenty > of time for others to chime in with anything they might be aware of > that they want or need fixed. > > Thanks for flagging this. > > Elijah > --8323328-1204387783-1620224293=:50--