From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F471F55B for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726286AbgFLOdP (ORCPT ); Fri, 12 Jun 2020 10:33:15 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:57641 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726268AbgFLOdP (ORCPT ); Fri, 12 Jun 2020 10:33:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1591972382; bh=2miohRxhN5zUCbAIwTdsTPkV6s4L8Wa8rpYVXP4jtX0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=coYegU6ByqS5xyF2g66XJl4OZzlXsbsBln9j/jhEy8viSPh59My6nDxTBJogVsHyU uDu5d7PS+Cvul50u8wimXUlhgqBGbM1tIgiPsjKDnWXGLy2CrTHEXQVaOJOqrHlpd5 iJYFfFLO3nZNuzoGuSPg8iaKt8iHNwaBKo0gc1TU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [172.19.173.52] ([89.1.214.156]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M42nY-1jjkju2MJU-0005ai; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:33:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:33:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@gitforwindows.org To: Don Goodman-Wilson cc: Taylor Blau , Junio C Hamano , Emily Shaffer , "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Virtual Inclusion Summit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20200610222719.GE148632@google.com> <20200611011040.GB21728@syl.local> <20200611023503.GA24130@syl.local> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-302581770-1591972387=:56" X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:eoLAo/I8VIMfuiJbjR/wLRNkIHtlsSYvq0SC3JVPxvhPv4Gwrep NJOp8fsJeiChOOLh6FhwPEFu/CY+OxS1SHntSxKj+YoHSNDX6K8Sm2G9G1HVg5EPMxObw7a DcBSmn8bDSJsf5CL8K0xuyicLsQzYnLiDlAn9HzfuOiQdQMesCT5DtgiLpEuRHCnxkHOd2C S0eC/celVh/w4ztN35Awg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:YhSGNDTmq+E=:WgcUWjQTj1ezpAmXNAsUra fuMsstSSh6xtyxKDFneznSPSd0EFnc3w5TW/wKNK690HSMFSnnxbKmG7ea+ujq4nlZ+m14qkm +lR6BBRLKsYz696njxU+e/1OdL1HzeAyTkkaFBoKsXRvGcUCYwoxusOUgxZhJrCGNfZtxR2Ml gZWN3rzi0Msm9psRYQo6tx9TLhARyX0EykHktlOYCk7I+Z4sp+uk6HPJuPoZJnw/E4jo3lP4Q nJIWxKVUhx/bRqWy1H1HH1AgTmhozEL6cm4fxS500ULuSnssMk7j+nqXz68+5me5ijEmLW0Zo jQa6QMN2vXdenem/4AYjVnEUAJpj6SCYPaVJpDEpAWdtrPIuQ26kc+VJqhl8Mv0KQa6PXTGwJ 1ARD+Vcyn0yNEN8KEePOiZOPKo3TxDoVhimowkzabrIMLKqQKxwAdxwov5Wx3+Asd2OqhlW52 ie/V59m6vSdXgyC6TH/1hVNSj0XVk0oHHjPsUQ9j+06XHWDTv8YrT18g3AeTtZ5u2YevkRh6C 9XlmhC6LCW+OXhNBOgyQmvmDUbibNjRcV2I27gD1KNDLsSls7sNbkPgZEXR6UTIgfcc6y0biW JemYmBAl0UdZBZobgyMMo+MNICUGkTCn7FYECXMqpUJR2Z9xMtddhts4IiJxagINgkE4tyHsL 1FShoYZGNwtQQsdkeJ5hEMK+7tQ+vYZsymIK5UgEKxfIALZggUzUVcIoT+cOpjNr434al4+Zn 27o0a8hSVHwX3HO+WrjCjap6bvOpdKf46WadllUi8JmZf7Xelg1d75sfQ2Nkk+B86Kj0aU6j+ 10aI0MbPzfRoMF0r7ZSBD3mz3Q9SYL6zZNGgpKI110zfmmoy42h4hFqPYuAuWW3OKqrRGReRA 0fWJEVas2jlQUeVuOzO0lG3lm/o80FFKoNd0zzDiA4wcClEzWKLD4nx9TQYjVYSeR8dA0GniA 68/zqmRkAgndBSUu2+1+us9rEibPubVSR3uJAUeWRYtuAoGGki25CJig/mtjXKOemiFLf9h6p BUgkkUHPghdRSk6kXAJt5hLae6+/bAmTLn/HBqGE/lR/uuQ8dwdcbjF6212kr9lCWZOC3XxOn X9i2pyWouILkrLgIeWxJRahuaeHlWMayajQJR3ke92qjy1V737wXFsPPhadpzSv7Dzfqgc5cS PV2+etz3i3g1ZzXoGKVVhbXep0XS2+57VoYsgEiEQlJqS75w9nxgeeFiTTiyfShimEvpWewMc /8FBRfj44LyddEUf2 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-302581770-1591972387=:56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Don, On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, Don Goodman-Wilson wrote: > (First of all, it=E2=80=99s Don, rather than Dan; I think Johannes=E2=80= =99s > auto-correct got the best of him at one point in his email :D ) Yep, sorry for that! > I think this is a wonderful idea. > > First, I am myself a white cis-het male; my participation in any such > summit would be predicated on ensuring that we have a diversity of > voices present, as I think it is foolish to have a conversation about > inclusivity and equity with only white voices like mine speaking. I > hope and expect that we are planning for that. > > Given the concerns about being recorded, perhaps my experience running > Maintainerati events might be helpful. Maintainerati (if you hadn=E2=80= =99t > heard of it) is a series of events that gather open source maintainers > into unconference-style conversations about the challenges they face, > and finding solutions to those problems. The events are operated under > Chattham House rules, ensuring the anonymity of participants who wish > to remain so. Even so, the goal of the events is to not only document > the conversations that happened, but to create a set of documents that > allow the conversation to continue long after the event is over, as > well as providing a blueprint for concrete action. It is not difficult > to set up the necessary conditions to make this work, although we will > need dedicated note-takers willing to undergo about 30 minutes of > training. I would be happy to put in the effort to make this kind of > thing happen, if this sounds helpful. Thank you for the offer and describing your experience. I might be completely wrong, but in this instance, I have the impression that for the topic of changing the default main branch name, a Chattham House rules meeting might not even be _all_ that crucial. Let me explain why: The primary purpose of this meeting, from my point of view, is to align and coordinate, to set out goals that we want to agree on. Where "we" is "the core Git contributors". And from what I see, I am happy to report that I see a lot of alignment already. There was no "nah, why bother?" response, which made me very happy, personally. Every active contributor seems to agree that this is worth doing, and since I am doing the bulk work (with a lot of help from your side, thank you so much!), there is not even the question "but who will do it?". Ciao, Dscho --8323328-302581770-1591972387=:56--