From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MALFORMED_FREEMAIL,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367E020248 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727106AbfCMVFg (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:05:36 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:53531 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726263AbfCMVFf (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:05:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.129] ([37.201.195.16]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M3AzH-1go1tD3Ipz-00svMT; Wed, 13 Mar 2019 22:05:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 22:05:22 +0100 (STD) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@gitforwindows.org To: Jeff King cc: Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, Roberto Tyley Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH] point pull requesters to Git Git Gadget In-Reply-To: <20190313193909.GB3400@sigill.intra.peff.net> Message-ID: References: <20190312213246.GA6252@sigill.intra.peff.net> <20190313193909.GB3400@sigill.intra.peff.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:KT/X1o/hnNvS6o9Unt+0EZdv79ZKr2BkuSz++3eju8nCsv4Kvwu dPxCSZtk/VGKksQYQbs/SMvtOrvBOEs+xYDbSOvnkveg7MmRTU4g51/sZGwPKpRP0+cTUqG y1InEHr6QZB5u+MAnO/iAQ+Mwqa3WdMCZdhL1HD87npMh3C8H7Xfgk2dPD2yap5XnWjQmbw sCUaG3K6lGIMlHIHXrh/w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:C6ZZ8UpSUOQ=:8eqtIyUrSQr4dG56Uo+ZrT HpepsQMqbHQNfvup7mznPIhGDdpZBiIVa6yN4YKdioygCSFziIS9okS7msP70/jEV35nvcDfY Oy2/moNdrz/zctEFHTfr5g045fW6z/QT87qhau6FsvgKW12ggH1UhWD9jKelZRv8D/6uofsfX 0fy82tMqQ5Dz3JfziMfBKv4op64D7Jbjxxt+FTt9WJ8pCnzdquDc+FDRMdcp0kYFBW++dmeg/ 69kSsDlYymuBe7KJ3dGzUHDOOIssbYvfkiszGK11bYf9PQoCSbZBCI8b1br7kAlkmrVC14SDS FUm8g24PivJReb9Mn6jX1qwVsji/IxFVcOAa+y1zPe0AeUeAxQ0O+FvygpZifKhmSBDj/BC2S 7gcmsLE6ZS95SUwLTYb/7bwMt/3eH63SGJ/dMISzfhUP+NfhcDwxasQ/JgThGcUCcGjvlEYPa iTMP7AGDdGT72VuHcBaOqdoagntRo9k9UitL9PwMk9svb6JO9YK3XziYmhUnWh6+F70EErUTo J56SeaUYyitalyk2mIUyeDzXsY7HgVLkq68DreWLoWupGEKV4nxqhjY71v/jOVJgS1j3IT6Gt aqT6Zp0Wv2jSA5v1eCdxcRc4LkiSgF59DVLLzi79T0tOwlLnJ6p2aqCXQQv6nD56U1i+V4UaK 5NA/xpnWzHiE0bK9A1Q8aYCGEvIcyVDLL1yOJ2NTX/smWBFy4s4vR+l15za3iBkFbbmMMRBCc JRWSEZ7Nw+pRT54hriQuV8DG0FgNiK3QxkTSk+S/aPXj+tP0SQ8sJpJ+J7lqnDkg5mddXHQYZ rquM8LQ6wpsFBUiozD+Oqbu/pxNMTx2PSxvzDex8FYzuf0+rMb7Kx/UZfFEUi0b4PJjuGQbza b4H9LRm4OtniSu1+gxaBaSQMSzbTj3J1irVqoeh67K49TPl/ZL02czdaXDAqO4mpAmCx5OW8l PpZ1MhyPKQg== Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi, On Wed, 13 Mar 2019, Jeff King wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 10:49:22AM +0900, Junio C Hamano wrote: > > > Jeff King writes: > > > > > infrequent contributors. And there are a few reasons to prefer GGG: > > > > > > 1. submitGit seems to still have a few rough edges. E.g., it doesn't > > > munge timestamps to help threaded mail readers handled out-of-order > > > delivery. > > > > Hmph, I had an impression that the recent "why aren't these sorted" > > topics were via GGG, not submitGit, though. Hmph. I thought these were sorted out by https://github.com/gitgitgadget/gitgitgadget/pull/23... Junio, if you are referring to your complaint in https://public-inbox.org/git/xmqqftt83bt9.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com/, I just had a look, and the dates of JeffH's 00/14, 01/14 and 02/14 were, respectively, Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:22:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:22:12 -0800 (PST) and Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:22:14 -0800 (PST) Not quite what PR #23 tried to achieve. So where does this problem come from? A little further digging reveals another, quite revealing header: X-Google-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:21:57 GMT X-Google-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:21:58 GMT and X-Google-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 21:21:59 GMT which makes a ton more sense because GitGitGadget would not ever use -0800 as generic timezone. (to see for yourself, just direct your browser to https://public-inbox.org/git/pull.108.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/raw https://public-inbox.org/git/1a90de9dab0dd836e54fee9e08ab9e2284e1027a.1548192131.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/raw and https://public-inbox.org/git/4aaf4834bfa9f2169e2c00f7cdc6c75281567c15.1548192131.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/raw) So the *real* problem is that your GMail developer colleagues, Junio, decide that GitGitGadget's Date: header is not good enough, and override it by a less useful version. :-) > We did have one case a few months ago, but I think it was since fixed. > Whereas it cannot be fixed for submitGit without major re-architecting, > because the mails go out through Amazon SES, which writes its own > timestamp. > > I could be wrong about GGG being fixed though. I haven't noticed the > problem lately, but we definitely had a submitGit-related one a few > weeks ago. Maybe you use two different versions of mutt? *ducks* ;-) I come more and more to the conclusion that you can use whatever mail client to read the Git mailing list, as long as it is mutt. Which leaves me behind, as an Alpine (and occasional Thunderbird and Roundcube Mail) user... Ciao, Dscho