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From: Phillip Wood <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>
To: Josh Steadmon <steadmon@google.com>,
	phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk,
	Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	James Ramsay <james@jramsay.com.au>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] configuration-based hook management
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:08:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec6efbd4-4821-eefe-b16f-ab1ed8bc2058@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200414200347.GD12694@google.com>

On 14/04/2020 21:03, Josh Steadmon wrote:
> On 2020.04.14 16:15, Phillip Wood wrote:
>> Hi Emily
>>
>> Thanks for working on this, having a way to manage multiple commands per
>> hook without using an external framework would be really useful
>>
>> On 14/04/2020 01:54, Emily Shaffer wrote:
>>> Not much to look at compared to the original RFC I sent some months ago.
>>> This implements Peff's suggestion of using the "hookcmd" section as a
>>> layer of indirection.
>>
>> I'm not really clear what the advantage of this indirection is. It seems
>> unlikely to me that different hooks will share exactly the same command line
>> or other options. In the 'git secrets' example earlier in this thread each
>> hook needs to use a different command line. In general a command cannot tell
>> which hook it is being invoked as without a flag of some kind. (In some
>> cases it can use the number of arguments if that is different for each hook
>> that it handles but that is not true in general)
>>
>> Without the redirection one could have
>>   hook.pre-commit.linter.command = my-command
>>   hook.pre-commit.check-whitespace.command = 'git diff --check --cached'
>>
>> and other keys can be added for ordering etc. e.g.
>>   hook.pre-commit.linter.before = check-whitespace
>>
>> With the indirection one needs to set
>>   hook.pre-commit.command = linter
>>   hook.pre-commit.check-whitespace = 'git diff --check --cached'
>>   hookcmd.linter.command = my-command
>>   hookcmd.linter.pre-commit-before = check-whitespace
>>
>> which involves setting an extra key and checking it each time the hook is
>> invoked without any benefit that I can see. I suspect which one seems more
>> logical depends on how one thinks of setting hooks - I tend to think "I want
>> to set a pre-commit hook" not "I want to set a git-secrets hook". If you've
>> got an example where this indirection is helpful or necessary that would be
>> really useful to see.
>>
>> Best Wishes
>>
>> Phillip
> 
> Indexing repo content (see [1] for a detailed discussion) is one use
> case where you have a single command that runs identically from
> post-commit, post-merge, and post-checkout.

Thanks for sharing that, it is a useful reference point

> Also, I suspect that many users don't have a firm enough grasp on the
> various git hooks options to know ahead of time which ones they want to
> set to accomplish a given task (without diving into the docs first). 

I agree with this, especially as setting up a hook is probably an
infrequent task for most people

> I'm
> not trying to say that your workflow is incorrect, but my gut feeling is
> that most Git users would work in the opposite direction. Every time I
> have needed to automate something, I generally had a rough script in
> place first, and then looked up which hook(s) would be appropriate
> triggers for the script.

As you say once they have a script they still have to look up which
hooks they want to hook it up to, the indirection does not avoid that,
it just means they have to lookup how to set up a hookcmd as well as
which hooks they want to use.

Best Wishes

Phillip

> [1]: https://tbaggery.com/2011/08/08/effortless-ctags-with-git.html
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-15 10:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-12  3:55 Notes from Git Contributor Summit, Los Angeles (April 5, 2020) James Ramsay
2020-03-12  3:56 ` [TOPIC 1/17] Reftable James Ramsay
2020-03-12  3:56 ` [TOPIC 2/17] Hooks in the future James Ramsay
2020-03-12 14:16   ` Emily Shaffer
2020-03-13 17:56     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-07 23:01       ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-07 23:51         ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-08  0:40           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-08  1:09             ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-10 21:31           ` Jeff King
2020-04-13 19:15             ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-13 21:52               ` Jeff King
2020-04-14  0:54                 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] configuration-based hook management (was: [TOPIC 2/17] Hooks in the future) Emily Shaffer
2020-04-14  0:54                   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] hook: scaffolding for git-hook subcommand Emily Shaffer
2020-04-14  0:54                   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] hook: add --list mode Emily Shaffer
2020-04-14 15:15                   ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] configuration-based hook management Phillip Wood
2020-04-14 19:24                     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-14 20:27                       ` Jeff King
2020-04-15 10:01                         ` Phillip Wood
2020-04-14 20:03                     ` Josh Steadmon
2020-04-15 10:08                       ` Phillip Wood [this message]
2020-04-14 20:32                     ` Jeff King
2020-04-15 10:01                       ` Phillip Wood
2020-04-15 14:51                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-15 20:30                           ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-15 22:19                             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-15  3:45                 ` [TOPIC 2/17] Hooks in the future Jonathan Nieder
2020-04-15 20:59                   ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-20 23:53                     ` [PATCH] doc: propose hooks managed by the config Emily Shaffer
2020-04-21  0:22                       ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-21  1:20                         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-24 23:14                           ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-25 20:57                       ` brian m. carlson
2020-05-06 21:33                         ` Emily Shaffer
2020-05-06 23:13                           ` brian m. carlson
2020-05-19 20:10                           ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-15 22:42                   ` [TOPIC 2/17] Hooks in the future Jeff King
2020-04-15 22:48                     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-04-15 22:57                       ` Jeff King
2020-03-12  3:57 ` [TOPIC 3/17] Obliterate James Ramsay
2020-03-12 18:06   ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-03-15 22:19   ` Damien Robert
2020-03-16 12:55     ` Konstantin Tokarev
2020-03-26 22:27       ` Damien Robert
2020-03-16 16:32     ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-26 22:30       ` Damien Robert
2020-03-16 18:32     ` Phillip Susi
2020-03-26 22:37       ` Damien Robert
2020-03-16 20:01     ` Philip Oakley
2020-05-16  2:21       ` nbelakovski
2020-03-12  3:58 ` [TOPIC 4/17] Sparse checkout James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:00 ` [TOPIC 5/17] Partial Clone James Ramsay
2020-03-17  7:38   ` Allowing only blob filtering was: " Christian Couder
2020-03-17 20:39     ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] upload-pack.c: limit allowed filter choices Taylor Blau
2020-03-17 20:39       ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] list_objects_filter_options: introduce 'list_object_filter_config_name' Taylor Blau
2020-03-17 20:53         ` Eric Sunshine
2020-03-18 10:03           ` Jeff King
2020-03-18 19:40             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-18 22:38             ` Eric Sunshine
2020-03-19 17:15               ` Jeff King
2020-03-18 21:05           ` Taylor Blau
2020-03-17 20:39       ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] upload-pack.c: allow banning certain object filter(s) Taylor Blau
2020-03-17 21:11         ` Eric Sunshine
2020-03-18 21:18           ` Taylor Blau
2020-03-18 11:18         ` Philip Oakley
2020-03-18 21:20           ` Taylor Blau
2020-03-18 10:18       ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] upload-pack.c: limit allowed filter choices Jeff King
2020-03-18 18:26         ` Re*: " Junio C Hamano
2020-03-19 17:03           ` Jeff King
2020-03-18 21:28         ` Taylor Blau
2020-03-18 22:41           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-19 17:10             ` Jeff King
2020-03-19 17:09           ` Jeff King
2020-04-17  9:41         ` Christian Couder
2020-04-17 17:40           ` Taylor Blau
2020-04-17 18:06             ` Jeff King
2020-04-21 12:34               ` Christian Couder
2020-04-22 20:41                 ` Taylor Blau
2020-04-22 20:42               ` Taylor Blau
2020-04-21 12:17             ` Christian Couder
2020-03-12  4:01 ` [TOPIC 6/17] GC strategies James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:02 ` [TOPIC 7/17] Background operations/maintenance James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:03 ` [TOPIC 8/17] Push performance James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:04 ` [TOPIC 9/17] Obsolescence markers and evolve James Ramsay
2020-05-09 21:31   ` Noam Soloveichik
2020-05-15 22:26     ` Jeff King
2020-03-12  4:05 ` [TOPIC 10/17] Expel ‘git shell’? James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:07 ` [TOPIC 11/17] GPL enforcement James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:08 ` [TOPIC 12/17] Test harness improvements James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:09 ` [TOPIC 13/17] Cross implementation test suite James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:11 ` [TOPIC 14/17] Aspects of merge-ort: cool, or crimes against humanity? James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:13 ` [TOPIC 15/17] Reachability checks James Ramsay
2020-03-12  4:14 ` [TOPIC 16/17] “I want a reviewer” James Ramsay
2020-03-12 13:31   ` Emily Shaffer
2020-03-12 17:31     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-03-12 17:42       ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-03-12 18:00         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2020-03-17  0:43     ` Philippe Blain
2020-03-13 21:25   ` Eric Wong
2020-03-14 17:27     ` Jeff King
2020-03-15  0:36       ` inbox indexing wishlist [was: [TOPIC 16/17] “I want a reviewer”] Eric Wong
2020-03-12  4:16 ` [TOPIC 17/17] Security James Ramsay
2020-03-12 14:38 ` Notes from Git Contributor Summit, Los Angeles (April 5, 2020) Derrick Stolee
2020-03-13 20:47 ` Jeff King
2020-03-15 18:42 ` Jakub Narebski
2020-03-16 19:31   ` Jeff King
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-12-10  2:33 [PATCH 0/6] configuration-based hook management Emily Shaffer
2019-12-10  2:33 ` [PATCH 1/6] hook: scaffolding for git-hook subcommand Emily Shaffer
2019-12-12  9:41   ` Bert Wesarg
2019-12-12 10:47   ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-12-10  2:33 ` [PATCH 2/6] config: add string mapping for enum config_scope Emily Shaffer
2019-12-10 11:16   ` Philip Oakley
2019-12-10 17:21     ` Philip Oakley
2019-12-10  2:33 ` [PATCH 3/6] hook: add --list mode Emily Shaffer
2019-12-12  9:38   ` Bert Wesarg
2019-12-12 10:58   ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-12-10  2:33 ` [PATCH 4/6] hook: support reordering of hook list Emily Shaffer
2019-12-11 19:21   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-12-10  2:33 ` [PATCH 5/6] hook: remove prior hook with '---' Emily Shaffer
2019-12-10  2:33 ` [PATCH 6/6] hook: teach --porcelain mode Emily Shaffer
2019-12-11 19:33   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-12-11 22:00     ` Emily Shaffer
2019-12-11 22:07       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-12-11 23:15         ` Emily Shaffer
2019-12-11 22:42 ` [PATCH 0/6] configuration-based hook management Junio C Hamano

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