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From: Dragan Simic <dsimic@manjaro.org>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Rubén Justo" <rjusto@gmail.com>, "Git List" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] add-patch: render hunks through the pager
Date: Mon, 20 May 2024 21:45:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ec5d73e22a6e4587f3d87314a9c0e422@manjaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqh6esffh1.fsf@gitster.g>

Hello Junio and Ruben,

On 2024-05-20 21:30, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Rubén Justo <rjusto@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Invoke the pager when displaying hunks during "add -p" sessions, to 
>> make
>> it easier for the user to review hunks longer than one screen height.
> 
> If the hunk fits on one screen, it is annoying to see a pager
> invoked and then torn down immediately, even with "less -F"
> (--quit-if-one-screen).  As we know how much output we are throwing
> at the user, we'd want to make this conditional to the size of the
> hunk being shown and the terminal height.
> 
> Or perhaps show them without such a trick, and add a new variant to
> 'p' that allows the user to request the output be sent to a pager
> (perhaps 'P')?  It would certainly be an alternative with much
> smaller damage.  The existing end-user experience would not degrade,
> but when the user wants to see a huge hunk, they can send it to the
> pager.
> 
> Another, ulteriour, motive here behind this suggestion is to
> encourage users to work with smaller hunks.  Being able to scroll
> around and view lines on demand (i.e. use of pager) is one thing.
> Being able to view all relevant lines at once (i.e. not wasting
> vertical screen real estate and making things fit on one screen) is
> very different and much nicer.

There's another thing to consider, which makes the introduction of
"P" as the new option even more desirable.  Let me explain.

With the upcoming changes to the way less(1) as the pager works,
which was already discussed at length and even required new features
to be implemented in less(1), [1] displaying anything through less(1)
will not leave an accessible scrollback in the terminal emulator.
Only one screen worth of text will be displayed, even after quitting
less(1).  That's what we have to do, to fix age-old issues with the
pager-generated scrollback that easily gets corrupted and actually
becomes misleading.

Thus, if someone wants to have a complete longer-than-one-screen hunk
displayed and use the terminal emulator scrollback to inspect the
hunk in its entirety, passing such (or all) hunks through the pager
would make such inspection impossible.  I'd assume that at least some
Git users already do that (I do, for example), and we surely don't want
to make that no longer possible.  That's why introducing "P" as the
new option would be the desired approach.

[1] 
https://lore.kernel.org/git/8289ef15266172cbfa10bb146afe9797@manjaro.org/


  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-20 20:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 113+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-19  7:06 [PATCH 0/5] use the pager in 'add -p' Rubén Justo
2024-05-19  7:10 ` [PATCH 1/5] add-patch: test for 'p' command Rubén Justo
2024-05-19  7:12 ` [PATCH 2/5] pager: do not close fd 2 unnecessarily Rubén Justo
2024-05-20 19:14   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-20 22:33     ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 20:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-21 21:35         ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 22:00           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-22 17:19             ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-22 17:40               ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-26  6:48                 ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-26 21:26                   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-19  7:13 ` [PATCH 3/5] pager: introduce wait_for_pager Rubén Justo
2024-05-19  7:14 ` [PATCH 4/5] test-terminal: introduce --no-stdin-pty Rubén Justo
2024-05-19  7:14 ` [PATCH 5/5] add-patch: render hunks through the pager Rubén Justo
2024-05-20 19:30   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-20 19:45     ` Dragan Simic [this message]
2024-05-20 22:35       ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-20 23:54         ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-21 19:56           ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-21  7:07       ` Jeff King
2024-05-21 19:59         ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-23  9:06           ` Jeff King
2024-05-23 14:00             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-23 14:18               ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-23 23:04                 ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-23 23:28                   ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-23 23:43                     ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-23 23:54                     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-23 23:57                       ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-25  4:54               ` Jeff King
2024-05-23 22:25             ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-23 23:03               ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-20 22:47     ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-20 23:18       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-20 23:27         ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 20:49 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] use the pager in 'add -p' Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 20:51   ` [PATCH v2 1/5] add-patch: test for 'p' command Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 20:52   ` [PATCH v2 2/5] pager: do not close fd 2 unnecessarily Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 20:52   ` [PATCH v2 3/5] pager: introduce wait_for_pager Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 20:52   ` [PATCH v2 4/5] test-terminal: introduce --no-stdin-pty Rubén Justo
2024-05-21 20:52   ` [PATCH v2 5/5] add-patch: render hunks through the pager Rubén Justo
2024-05-22  8:09     ` Dragan Simic
2024-05-22 18:47       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-05-22 21:23       ` Rubén Justo
2024-05-22 21:27         ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-02 15:38   ` [PATCH v3 0/6] use the pager in 'add -p' Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 15:42     ` [PATCH v3 1/6] add-patch: test for 'p' command Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 15:42     ` [PATCH v3 2/6] pager: do not close fd 2 unnecessarily Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 15:43     ` [PATCH v3 3/6] pager: introduce wait_for_pager Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 15:43     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] pager: introduce setup_custom_pager Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 15:43     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] test-terminal: introduce --no-stdin-pty Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 15:44     ` [PATCH v3 6/6] add-patch: introduce the command '|' Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 16:36     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] use the pager in 'add -p' Junio C Hamano
2024-06-02 17:11       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-02 17:33         ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 17:13       ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-02 17:46       ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-03  9:03         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 10:21           ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-03 15:28             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 17:34               ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-02 17:36     ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-03 16:01       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 17:41         ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-04 17:42           ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-03 20:19       ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-04 18:13         ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-03 20:35     ` [PATCH v4 " Rubén Justo
2024-06-03 20:38       ` [PATCH v4 1/6] add-patch: test for 'p' command Rubén Justo
2024-06-03 20:38       ` [PATCH v4 2/6] pager: do not close fd 2 unnecessarily Rubén Justo
2024-06-04 15:50         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 20:38       ` [PATCH v4 3/6] pager: introduce wait_for_pager Rubén Justo
2024-06-04 10:00         ` Phillip Wood
2024-06-04 16:29           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-05 22:03           ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-04 16:25         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 20:38       ` [PATCH v4 4/6] pager: introduce setup_custom_pager Rubén Justo
2024-06-04 16:43         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-03 20:38       ` [PATCH v4 5/6] test-terminal: introduce --no-stdin-pty Rubén Justo
2024-06-04 10:05         ` Phillip Wood
2024-06-04 10:33           ` Jeff King
2024-06-05 15:39             ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-06  8:24               ` Jeff King
2024-06-05 22:50           ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-06  8:27             ` Jeff King
2024-06-09  7:26               ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-03 20:38       ` [PATCH v4 6/6] add-patch: introduce the command '|' Rubén Justo
2024-06-04 17:12         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 20:05           ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-05  5:16           ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-04 10:17     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] use the pager in 'add -p' Jeff King
2024-06-04 15:32       ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-05  9:09         ` Jeff King
2024-06-05 13:21           ` Phillip Wood
2024-06-08  5:54             ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-09  7:44               ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-09  7:57                 ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-10 19:09                   ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-10 21:02                     ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-10 14:09                 ` Phillip Wood
2024-06-10 16:13                   ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-10 19:14                   ` Rubén Justo
2024-06-10 19:56                     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-10 21:08                     ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-10 19:28                   ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-10 20:08                     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-06-10 21:16                       ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-09 14:29               ` phillip.wood123
2024-06-09 17:20                 ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-10  8:27                   ` Phillip Wood
2024-06-10  9:09                     ` Dragan Simic
2024-06-05 17:24           ` Junio C Hamano

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