git@vger.kernel.org mailing list mirror (one of many)
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>,
	Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>
Cc: "Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Matheus Tavares Bernardino" <matheus.bernardino@usp.br>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Eric Sunshine" <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	"René Scharfe" <l.s.r@web.de>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 10/10] sparse-checkout: add config to disable deleting dirs
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 09:30:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d63d5d18-bdb3-e13b-ae36-e7e6cf10be39@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABPp-BGeJJBF0ZmS7ZHcqFmXwXmgVH1Uox_6gNHzcacG2vRjVw@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/27/2021 4:58 PM, Elijah Newren wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 2:51 PM Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
> <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
>>
>> The clean_tracked_sparse_directories() method deletes the tracked
>> directories that go out of scope when the sparse-checkout cone changes,
>> at least in cone mode. This is new behavior, but is recommended based on
>> our understanding of how users are interacting with the feature in most
>> cases.
>>
>> It is possible that some users will object to the new behavior, so
>> create a new configuration option 'index.deleteSparseDirectories' that
>> can be set to 'false' to make clean_tracked_sparse_directories() do
>> nothing. This will keep all untracked files in the working tree and
>> cause performance problems with the sparse index, but those trade-offs
>> are for the user to decide.
> 
> I'm not sold that we need anything here, and it sounds like this is
> all being added based on a theoretical concern.  I might not object
> too much normally to trying to address theoretical conerns with new
> features, but:
> 
> * I'm a little concerned that we're adding a configuration option
> (which live forever and are harder to work with
> backward-compatibility-wise) rather than a command line flag.

The issue with a command-line flag is that it would need to be added
to all the commands that reapply the sparse-checkout definition.
Maybe that's just the 'git sparse-checkout (init|set|add|reapply)'
and 'git read-tree' commands, but are there other places where this
logic might be applied in the future?

Also, as more third-party tools integrate with sparse-checkout, I
don't expect users to be directly involved in changing their cone,
so any use of a command-line flag would need to be integrated into
those tools. A config option applies this logic universally, when
needed.

> * It's not clear to me that the option name is what we want.  For
> example, git checkout has a --[no-]overwrite-ignored for overwriting
> ignored files (or not) when switching to a different branch.  git
> merge has the same flags (though only the fast-forwarding backend
> heeds it currently).  This behavior is quite similar to that flag, and
> has the same default of treating ignored files as expendable.  Should
> the naming be more similar?

I'm open to changing the name to more closely match existing naming
conventions, once we've decided if this should be included at all.

> * It's not clear to me that the option has the right level of
> implementation granularity.  If someone wants ignored files to be
> treated as important, should they need to set a
> merge.no_overwrite_ignored AND a checkout.no_overwrite_ignored AND a
> index.deleteSparseDirectories AND other names, or have one high-level
> option that sets all of these behaviors?

These cases have different meanings for why an ignored file is
important. For merge and checkout, the argument is saying "don't
overwrite ignored files if they are to be replaced by a tracked
file". For sparse-checkout, the config is saying "don't delete
ignored files that are leaving the sparse-checkout scope". I think
it is meaningful to say that files that match the .gitignore
patterns but are still tracked are deleted, because sparse-checkout
removes all tracked files.

I'm less convinced that there needs to be a meta-setting that covers
all of these cases simultaneously.

---

As for moving forward, I'm fine skipping this patch if there is no
support for it. I just wanted to demonstrate that it could be done.
Perhaps we wait for the theoretical concern to be a real one, as
requested by a user with a legitimate reason to care?

Thanks,
-Stolee

  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-30 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-29 17:27 [PATCH 0/2] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-07-29 17:27 ` [PATCH 1/2] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-07-29 17:27 ` [PATCH 2/2] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-07-30 13:52   ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-02 14:34     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-02 16:17       ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-05  1:55         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-05  3:54           ` Elijah Newren
2021-07-30 13:11 ` [PATCH 0/2] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Elijah Newren
2021-08-10 19:50 ` [PATCH v2 0/8] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 1/8] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 2/8] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 3/8] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19 18:24     ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-20 15:04       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 4/8] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 5/8] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-12 17:29     ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 6/8] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 7/8] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_IGNORE_CONFIG flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-10 19:50   ` [PATCH v2 8/8] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23   ` [PATCH v3 0/8] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 1/8] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  7:45       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:09         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 16:40           ` Eric Sunshine
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 2/8] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 3/8] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 4/8] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:01       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:18         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 19:35           ` René Scharfe
2021-08-20 20:22             ` René Scharfe
2021-08-19 18:29       ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 5/8] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:07       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:30         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 6/8] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:11       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:36         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-19 20:53       ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-20 15:39         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 16:05           ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 7/8] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_IGNORE_CONFIG flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-18 18:59       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-17 13:23     ` [PATCH v3 8/8] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-19  8:48       ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-20 15:49         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-20 16:15           ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-20 15:56         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-23 20:00           ` Johannes Schindelin
2021-08-17 14:09     ` [PATCH v3 0/8] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Elijah Newren
2021-08-24 21:51     ` [PATCH v4 00/10] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 01/10] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 02/10] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 03/10] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 04/10] sparse-index: use WRITE_TREE_MISSING_OK Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 21:33         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:19           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-30 20:08             ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 05/10] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 22:21         ` René Scharfe
2021-08-25  1:09           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 06/10] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 07/10] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 08/10] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_MEMORY_ONLY flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 09/10] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-24 21:51       ` [PATCH v4 10/10] sparse-checkout: add config to disable deleting dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-08-27 20:58         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:30           ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2021-08-30 20:11             ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-27 21:56       ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Elijah Newren
2021-08-27 22:01         ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:34           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-30 20:14             ` Elijah Newren
2021-08-30 13:54         ` Derrick Stolee
2021-08-30 20:23           ` Elijah Newren
2021-09-08  1:42       ` [PATCH v5 0/9] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 1/9] t7519: rewrite sparse index test Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 2/9] sparse-index: silently return when not using cone-mode patterns Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 3/9] unpack-trees: fix nested sparse-dir search Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 4/9] sparse-index: silently return when cache tree fails Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 5/9] sparse-index: use WRITE_TREE_MISSING_OK Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 6/9] sparse-checkout: create helper methods Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 7/9] attr: be careful about sparse directories Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 8/9] sparse-index: add SPARSE_INDEX_MEMORY_ONLY flag Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  1:42         ` [PATCH v5 9/9] sparse-checkout: clear tracked sparse dirs Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-09-08  5:21         ` [PATCH v5 0/9] Sparse index: delete ignored files outside sparse cone Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08  6:56           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08 11:39             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-09-08 16:11               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08  5:30         ` Elijah Newren

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=d63d5d18-bdb3-e13b-ae36-e7e6cf10be39@gmail.com \
    --to=stolee@gmail.com \
    --cc=Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de \
    --cc=derrickstolee@github.com \
    --cc=dstolee@microsoft.com \
    --cc=git@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=gitgitgadget@gmail.com \
    --cc=gitster@pobox.com \
    --cc=l.s.r@web.de \
    --cc=matheus.bernardino@usp.br \
    --cc=newren@gmail.com \
    --cc=sunshine@sunshineco.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://80x24.org/mirrors/git.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).