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From: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
To: "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, peff@peff.net, dstolee@microsoft.com,
	gitster@pobox.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/14] commit-graph: introduce 'get_bloom_filter_settings()'
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:48:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d525c35e-12fb-1918-c02b-d0323ee9b664@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200811235537.GC13422@szeder.dev>

On 8/11/2020 7:55 PM, SZEDER Gábor wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 05:34:11PM -0400, Taylor Blau wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:27:16PM +0200, SZEDER Gábor wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 05:21:18PM -0400, Taylor Blau wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:18:30PM +0200, SZEDER Gábor wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 04:51:19PM -0400, Taylor Blau wrote:
>>>>>> Many places in the code often need a pointer to the commit-graph's
>>>>>> 'struct bloom_filter_settings', in which case they often take the value
>>>>>> from the top-most commit-graph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the non-split case, this works as expected. In the split case,
>>>>>> however, things get a little tricky. Not all layers in a chain of
>>>>>> incremental commit-graphs are required to themselves have Bloom data,
>>>>>> and so whether or not some part of the code uses Bloom filters depends
>>>>>> entirely on whether or not the top-most level of the commit-graph chain
>>>>>> has Bloom filters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This has been the behavior since Bloom filters were introduced, and has
>>>>>> been codified into the tests since a759bfa9ee (t4216: add end to end
>>>>>> tests for git log with Bloom filters, 2020-04-06). In fact, t4216.130
>>>>>> requires that Bloom filters are not used in exactly the case described
>>>>>> earlier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no reason that this needs to be the case, since it is perfectly
>>>>>> valid for commits in an earlier layer to have Bloom filters when commits
>>>>>> in a newer layer do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since Bloom settings are guaranteed to be the same for any layer in a
>>>>>> chain that has Bloom data,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it?  Where is that guaranteed?

Perhaps instead of "guaranteed" we could say "Git never writes
a commit-graph chain with different settings between layers."

>>>> There is no mechanism whatsoever to customize these settings that is
>>>> exposed to the user (except for the undocumented 'GIT_TEST' environment
>>>> variables).
>>>
>>> Let me rephrase it, then: where is it written in the commit-graph
>>> format specification that these must be the same in all layers?
>>>
>>> Nowhere.
>>
>> OK. We can certainly document that this is the case.
> 
> IMO we absolutely must document this first; ideally it should have
> been carefully considered and documented right from the start.

You're right. One of the major difficulties in bringing a Bloom
filter implementation to the commit-graph feature when we did was
that the split commit-graph was introduced between our initial
prototypes and when it was finally prepared for a full submission.

There certainly are gaps in the implementation and documentation.
I think Taylor is doing a great job by addressing one of those gaps
in a focused, thoughtful way.

> Some thougths about this:
> 
>   https://public-inbox.org/git/20200619140230.GB22200@szeder.dev/

I appreciate your attention to detail. Your comments on the existing
implementation do point out some of its shortcomings, and that is a
valuable contribution.

Actually converting those thoughts into patches is a lot of work.

>> For this purpose,
>> all we really care about is that the graph _has_ Bloom filters anywhere.
>> If you wanted to return the exact matching settings, you could also
>> provide a commit and return the settings belonging to the graph that
>> contains that commit.
>>
>> In the case where we don't have a commit, we could use the default
>> settings instead.
>>
>> I think that we are a little bit dealing with a problem that doesn't
>> exist, since we do not document the sole method by which you would
>> change these settings. So, maybe we can think more about this, but my
>> preference would be to leave this patch alone.
> 
> Other implementations can write split commit-graphs with modified path
> Bloom filters as well, and at the moment there is nothing in the specs
> that tells them not to use different Bloom filter settings in
> different layers.

You are 100% correct that there is a gap in documentation. That should
be corrected at some point. (I don't consider it a blocker for this
series.)

But also: Git itself is the true test of a "correct" third-party
implementation. libgit2 and JGit try to match Git, "warts and all".
If another implementation wrote data that results in incorrect
behavior by Git, then that implementation is wrong.

Improving documentation can make those errors less likely.

We also must design with "future Git" in mind, presenting it with
enough flexibility to improve formats. The custom Bloom filter
settings do allow that flexibility, but the requirement that all
layers have identical settings exists for a reason (despite not
being documented). It is important that any commit walk that intends
to use the changed-path Bloom filters can compute the bloom keys
for the test paths only once.

Thanks,
-Stolee

  reply	other threads:[~2020-08-12 11:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-08-03 18:57 [PATCH 00/10] more miscellaneous Bloom filter improvements Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 01/10] commit-graph: introduce 'get_bloom_filter_settings()' Taylor Blau
2020-08-04  7:24   ` Jeff King
2020-08-04 20:08     ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 02/10] commit-graph: pass a 'struct repository *' in more places Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 03/10] t4216: use an '&&'-chain Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 04/10] t/helper/test-read-graph.c: prepare repo settings Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 05/10] commit-graph: respect 'commitgraph.readChangedPaths' Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 06/10] commit-graph.c: sort index into commits list Taylor Blau
2020-08-04 12:31   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-04 20:10     ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 07/10] commit-graph: add large-filters bitmap chunk Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:59   ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-04 12:57   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 08/10] bloom: split 'get_bloom_filter()' in two Taylor Blau
2020-08-04 13:00   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-04 20:12     ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 09/10] commit-graph: rename 'split_commit_graph_opts' Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 18:57 ` [PATCH 10/10] builtin/commit-graph.c: introduce '--max-new-filters=<n>' Taylor Blau
2020-08-04 13:03   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-04 20:14     ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:01 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] more miscellaneous Bloom filter improvements Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:01   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] commit-graph: introduce 'get_bloom_filter_settings()' Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] t4216: use an '&&'-chain Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] commit-graph: pass a 'struct repository *' in more places Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] t/helper/test-read-graph.c: prepare repo settings Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] commit-graph: respect 'commitGraph.readChangedPaths' Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] commit-graph.c: store maximum changed paths Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] bloom: split 'get_bloom_filter()' in two Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] bloom: use provided 'struct bloom_filter_settings' Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] bloom/diff: properly short-circuit on max_changes Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] commit-graph.c: sort index into commits list Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] csum-file.h: introduce 'hashwrite_be64()' Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:02   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] commit-graph: add large-filters bitmap chunk Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 21:01     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-05 21:17       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 22:21         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-05 22:25           ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 13:48             ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 18:59               ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-05 17:03   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] commit-graph: rename 'split_commit_graph_opts' Taylor Blau
2020-08-05 17:03   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] builtin/commit-graph.c: introduce '--max-new-filters=<n>' Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51 ` [PATCH v3 00/14] more miscellaneous Bloom filter improvements Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 01/14] commit-graph: introduce 'get_bloom_filter_settings()' Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 21:18     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-08-11 21:21       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 21:27         ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-08-11 21:34           ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 23:55             ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-08-12 11:48               ` Derrick Stolee [this message]
2020-08-14 20:17                 ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 02/14] t4216: use an '&&'-chain Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 03/14] commit-graph: pass a 'struct repository *' in more places Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 04/14] t/helper/test-read-graph.c: prepare repo settings Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 05/14] commit-graph: respect 'commitGraph.readChangedPaths' Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 06/14] commit-graph.c: store maximum changed paths Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 07/14] bloom: split 'get_bloom_filter()' in two Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 11/14] csum-file.h: introduce 'hashwrite_be64()' Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 08/14] bloom: use provided 'struct bloom_filter_settings' Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:51   ` [PATCH v3 09/14] bloom/diff: properly short-circuit on max_changes Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:52   ` [PATCH v3 10/14] commit-graph.c: sort index into commits list Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:52   ` [PATCH v3 12/14] commit-graph: add large-filters bitmap chunk Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 21:11     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-11 21:18       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 22:05         ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-19 13:35     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-02 20:23       ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-01 14:35     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-02 20:40       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:52   ` [PATCH v3 13/14] commit-graph: rename 'split_commit_graph_opts' Taylor Blau
2020-08-19  9:56     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-02 21:02       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-11 20:52   ` [PATCH v3 14/14] builtin/commit-graph.c: introduce '--max-new-filters=<n>' Taylor Blau
2020-08-12 11:49     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-08-14 20:20       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-17 22:50         ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-02 21:03           ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-12 12:29     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-14 20:10       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-18 22:23     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-03 16:35       ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-19  8:20     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-03 16:42       ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-04  8:50         ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-01 14:36     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-03 18:49       ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 21:45   ` [PATCH v3 00/14] more miscellaneous Bloom filter improvements Junio C Hamano
2020-09-03 22:33     ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:45 ` [PATCH v4 " Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 01/14] commit-graph: introduce 'get_bloom_filter_settings()' Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 02/14] t4216: use an '&&'-chain Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 03/14] commit-graph: pass a 'struct repository *' in more places Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 04/14] t/helper/test-read-graph.c: prepare repo settings Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 05/14] commit-graph: respect 'commitGraph.readChangedPaths' Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 06/14] commit-graph.c: store maximum changed paths Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 07/14] bloom: split 'get_bloom_filter()' in two Taylor Blau
2020-09-05 17:22     ` Jakub Narębski
2020-09-05 17:38       ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-05 17:50         ` Jakub Narębski
2020-09-05 18:01           ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-05 18:18             ` Jakub Narębski
2020-09-05 18:38               ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-05 18:55                 ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-05 19:04                   ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-09-05 19:49                     ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-06 21:52                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 08/14] bloom: use provided 'struct bloom_filter_settings' Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 09/14] bloom/diff: properly short-circuit on max_changes Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 10/14] commit-graph.c: sort index into commits list Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 11/14] csum-file.h: introduce 'hashwrite_be64()' Taylor Blau
2020-09-04 20:18     ` René Scharfe
2020-09-04 20:22       ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 12/14] commit-graph: add large-filters bitmap chunk Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:46   ` [PATCH v4 13/14] commit-graph: rename 'split_commit_graph_opts' Taylor Blau
2020-09-04 15:20     ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-03 22:47   ` [PATCH v4 14/14] builtin/commit-graph.c: introduce '--max-new-filters=<n>' Taylor Blau
2020-09-04 14:39   ` [PATCH v4 00/14] more miscellaneous Bloom filter improvements Derrick Stolee

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