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From: Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin <NMoreyChaisemartin@suse.de>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/3] log: add an option to generate cover letter from a branch tip
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:40:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d4fec167-aae2-1990-4e24-faaf286f87f5@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqo9o52ep0.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com>



Le 14/11/2017 à 14:05, Junio C Hamano a écrit :
> Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin <NMoreyChaisemartin@suse.de> writes:
>
>> The triple dash is so that the diffstat/shortlog as not seen as
>> part of the cover letter.  As said in the cover letter for this
>> series, it kinda breaks legacy behaviour right now.  It should
>> either be printed only for cover-at-tip, or a new separator should
>> be added.
> This reminds me of a couple of random thoughts I had, so before I
> disconnect from my terminal and forget about them...
>
> [1] format-patch and am must round-trip.
>
> I mentioned four uses cases around the "cover letter at the
> tip" in my earlier message
>
>     https://public-inbox.org/git/xmqqbmk68o9d.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com/
>
> Specifically, (2) we should be able to run "format-patch" and record
> the log message of the empty commit at the tip to the cover letter,
> and (4) we should be able to accept such output with "am" and end up
> with the same sequence of commits as the original (modulo committer
> identity and timestamps).  So from the output we produce with this
> step, "am" should be able to split the material that came from the
> original empty commit from the surrounding cruft like shortlog and
> diffstat.  The output format of this step needs to be designed with
> that in mind.

This should be the case with the current RFC (apart from the branch description which is kept at the moment).
Things like git am --signoff will break this of course.

>
> [2] reusing cover letter material in merge may not be ideal.
>
> When people write a cover letter, they write different things in it.
> What they wanted to achieve, why they chose the approach they took,
> how the series is organized, which part of the series they find iffy
> and/orneeds special attention from the reviewers, where to find the
> previous iteration, what changed since the previous iterations, etc.
>
> All of them are to help the reviewers, many of who have already
> looked at the previous rounds, to understand and judge this round of
> the submission.
>
> The message in a merge commit as a part of the final history,
> however, cannot refer to anything from "previous rounds", as the
> previous attempts are not part of the final history readers of "git
> log" can refer to whey they are trying to understand the merge.
> What exactly goes in a merge commit and how the messages are phrased
> may be different from project to project, but for this project, I've
> been trying to write them in an end-user facing terms, i.e. they are
> designed in such a way that "git log --first-parent --merges" can be
> read as if they were entries in the release notes, summarizing fixes
> and features by describing their user-visible effects.  This is only
> one part of what people write in their cover letters (i.e. "what
> they wanted to achive").
>
> So there probably needs a convention meant to be followed by human
> users when writing cover letters, so a mechanical process can tell
> which part of the text is to be made into the merge commit without
> understanding human languages.

In the long term, I agree this would be nice.
As a first step, could we force the --edit option when using --cover-at-tip ?
The basic merge message would come from the cover letter but can/should be edited to clear the extra stuff out.

Auto-stripping those extra infos, may also conflicts with the point (3) from your previous mail.
If git merge is to keep only the relevant infos, git format-patch from this merge will not be able to access those.

The advantage of a manual edit is that it's the commiter's choice. Keep the info if the branch is to be resubmitted. Drop them once it's merged for good.

Nicolas




  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-14 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-10 10:24 [RFC] cover-at-tip Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-10 15:37 ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-10 18:22   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-13  7:58     ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-13  9:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-13 10:30         ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-13 10:48           ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-13 17:13           ` [RFC 0/3] Add support for --cover-at-tip Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-13 19:40             ` Jonathan Tan
2017-11-13 19:53               ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-13 17:13           ` [RFC 1/3] mailinfo: extract patch series id Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-14  5:47             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-14  9:10               ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-13 17:13           ` [RFC 2/3] am: semi working --cover-at-tip Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-14  6:00             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-14  9:17               ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-16 16:21                 ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-17  1:54                   ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-13 17:13           ` [RFC 3/3] log: add an option to generate cover letter from a branch tip Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-14  6:14             ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-14  9:28               ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin
2017-11-14 13:05                 ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-14 13:40                   ` Nicolas Morey-Chaisemartin [this message]
2017-11-14 14:52                     ` Junio C Hamano
2017-11-10 18:28   ` [RFC] cover-at-tip Jonathan Tan

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