From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Scott Chacon" Subject: Re: Official Git Homepage change? Re: git-scm.com Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:27:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20080726015314.GU32184@machine.or.cz> <20080726020951.GV32184@machine.or.cz> <7v4p6dnv5k.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> <7vtzedktmi.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Petr Baudis" , git@vger.kernel.org To: "Junio C Hamano" X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sat Jul 26 09:28:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMeCi-0003I7-Cm for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:28:36 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750894AbYGZH1e (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:27:34 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750717AbYGZH1d (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:27:33 -0400 Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com ([209.85.198.239]:36444 "EHLO rv-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750714AbYGZH1d (ORCPT ); Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:27:33 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so3751631rvb.1 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wWrZj1m3obzVjJCbEfyLdpbF3tOWdPLvLhs2naDP+Lw=; b=tTIogyHXZyxD6syg1Wvd504Hla59Kj3Sy8gKrycgADdGX8UCp60Fn3V9FvdMEB2Ng8 rWwVFK/23CCKecK1Ex6fACud0XSA92vChOyYq2ljRCGrPpRLpgkh/71Rf0CV7/YoP15u n1Es2uWGGWWieukaSVNK+pO2JTO/J8LAZzzc8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=KxD7HchWgQMI+V7YTsgTZD8CsyKb9uq0tvOpzL/018NAjYDDs7D13//wYJnUY6caCx U0Yr2REkVvWETa1lgD8tWffu+LDiPgfaTVN44cyeYbc4PYc5kfLn3iyRoKajRMs8hbv8 7UFn61ZUdZU7FFHnjpxX7N+e8B+XCtloq4zFg= Received: by 10.114.124.1 with SMTP id w1mr2972491wac.73.1217057252674; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.22.20 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7vtzedktmi.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org> Content-Disposition: inline Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Perhaps it would be useful to split the mailing list into core/contrib and support lists? I would be happy to help out answering questions - a lot of them come directly to me anyhow because of the gitcasts site and such. Scott On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:11 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote: > "Scott Chacon" writes: > >> On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote: >>> ... >>> These two are directly related. They might be friendly and well-meaning >>> folks, but I agree that they haven't earned our trust yet. >>> >>> But I do not think it matters that much. >>> ... >>> It's also somewhat interesting to observe that several people I have never >>> heard of in the git circle are simultaneously doing new git books, >>> apparently never asking for much technical advice from core git people, by >>> the way. >> >> To be honest, I have asked for a fair amount of technical advice from >> many helpful people in the IRC channel over the past few years. In my >> case, one of my best friends - the guy I've been working with for the >> last 4 years - is Nick Hengeveld, who has something like 50 commits in >> there - why email the list when I can yell a question over the cube >> wall? I'm sure you all have more important things to do than review >> my book for newbies - I asked Nick to do it. > > Ah, Nick. We haven't heard from him for quite some time. I've actually > been missed him from time to time whenever http related issues came up. > Please say hello to him for me ;-). > >> If I could code C worth a lick, I'm sure I would have contributed more >> to this list, but since I have nothing that I feel would be helpful to >> you, I've passively followed the list. I'm sorry that you do not >> consider me a "git community member" just because I don't code C, and >> so I can't contribute helpfully to core. > > I realize I may have sounded somewhat harsh, but that was not my > intention. And I do not think what you said is fair, either. > > We have had quite a few end user questions on this list, but I do not seem > to recall any of the names of the book writers, whose books are presumably > aimed at these people, answering them. Granted, core coders may be busy > bunch of people, and the questions and comments from new people sometimes > tend to be lost in flurry of patch floods. I and other core coders would > have greatly appreciated if non-coder experts like yourself helped these > threads that have never panned out. > > I am not complaining. This cuts both ways. The patch floods do tend to > discourage new people from asking basic questions, and lack of answers > even more so. But it is not healthy for people who design and code not to > hear end user feedback. I personally would want to see the list traffic > to be inclusive. > > The people who design the new features and write code should have easy > access to the issues the users of all levels have with the software and > the documentation (and what they find useful as well). What I am most > afraid of is that both "We do not bother the coders" and "We are too busy > to answer every newbie question" mentalities would lead to a fractured > community. >