From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00641F463 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 02:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2437062AbfITCSC (ORCPT ); Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:18:02 -0400 Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com ([209.85.222.176]:46959 "EHLO mail-qk1-f176.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2393877AbfITCSB (ORCPT ); Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:18:01 -0400 Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 201so5632441qkd.13 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 19:18:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Op6IpkynF/zCAKibwboT7FvYm4N8VehElrdpGu0BXLs=; b=LQxMVqfWAuc4s/nJrl3CmWWNLeXtlPKVsMlkZTtgnid4WasqtCGgldN/+h/cN99TIl EGxP/vet3LMo8kYNJ6sxRFkV1A8BBbi0go3jC1dE7fspY9zJudGTX+YDi5GPhmwlA4N5 buIA+MZXy+smAkUC7ClSrEl2QbleNEPYsumpaQFkVVvB8IyAKe3d/jeHoDRtuMpcpjre iTnQX6Phn22KYYo6m1pcTIed5ORYDrkI2xK9oIpiKyuwF+jYuA5DS/mzBtvgkXiaAFuU GcT2SQJKRhRB20tOw6wkn2Buug1bxGHiVJ0IPiZvHPi76M1DfF9b67UaxJnie937zfPw 4d9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Op6IpkynF/zCAKibwboT7FvYm4N8VehElrdpGu0BXLs=; b=T4d3IYbdmes6jg/9J+KqLaVIHxOXteGrQ4C9GgPxU+646IkNu36UlS/RLo51NlFWbT X53QyGtJvJliDw4dwDJRhftTlB383vrOi+C+nCIcQxSwXYQ1bE2qDdvz55uQmsYVnD7j sQwBHGvY1peE6A7Vt+5MbWxfaxakMstB2iyikjFAI4cvdTwDuqXxJpol/gqJA0Nhdsgu MmteF84b6vu5smaYiUw23ufVKu36G2sZmVujp/yRlFHUSYp9t0SIQyDrUqGVAoNfHO25 WUOM+gQV6/U9xTOgWVR1oMagm1JHYdgdSGCwsImlrC7cNZQ1iepYT/TyY2rfXs0Gr42W 8CaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXkYBGEgqJWyDBnVheg0NjzIx0okapon6n2opSwNOUq3ZPL7K00 44YAnXVLhM1SDTol54/4E7Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwKtz23Lkn71FAIuSBzgMzTJe4FoBez+2yOXYhAVjzwFDaJv+skZunveCVqMLAOhrzPWee3WQ== X-Received: by 2002:ae9:f209:: with SMTP id m9mr1153397qkg.388.1568945880421; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 19:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.1.19] ([98.122.173.75]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i2sm277940qti.58.2019.09.19.19.17.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Sep 2019 19:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] Growing the Git community To: Jeff King Cc: "git@vger.kernel.org" , Emily Shaffer , Jonathan Nieder , Johannes Schindelin , "gitster@pobox.com" , garimasigit@gmail.com References: <71fba9e7-6314-6ef9-9959-6ae06843d17a@gmail.com> <20190919221615.GA25636@sigill.intra.peff.net> From: Derrick Stolee Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:17:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:70.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/70.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190919221615.GA25636@sigill.intra.peff.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On 9/19/2019 6:16 PM, Jeff King wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:30:13PM -0400, Derrick Stolee wrote: >> >> 5. Advertise that Git wants new contributors >> > This point is the one I'm least on board with. Not because I'm not > thrilled to have new contributors, but that to some degree I think the > open source system relies heavily on intrinsic motivations like > scratching your own itch. I'm worried that advertising "hey, we need > people to work on stuff!" then brings in people who are well-meaning but > don't necessarily care much about Git in particular. And it becomes an > administrative headache to try to figure out things for them to do, or > get them acclimated to the community. Your concerns are valid. > I.e., I think we want to grow the community a bit more organically, > which should be more sustainable in the long run.> > So I think any advertising would be more about making it clear that _if_ > you have an idea, we're very interested in welcoming newcomers. And that > to me falls under a lot of the points already made above: making the > process more clear and more inviting to people who are already thinking > about contributing. I guess I was vague about this. It's not "we need more people to work on our (non-existent) backlog" but instead "if you have an interest in contributing your (existing) ideas to Git, we welcome you with open arms!" Thanks, -Stolee