From: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
To: George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>
Cc: art.08.09@gmail.com, bdonlan@gmail.com, git@vger.kernel.org,
johnflux@gmail.com, P@draigBrady.com,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Linus' sha1 is much faster!
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:34:11 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0908171513230.6044@xanadu.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090817185448.30254.qmail@science.horizon.com>
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009, George Spelvin wrote:
> > I don't think this trick of making source code textually different from
> > another work while still intimately mimicking the same structure entitles
> > you to any copyright (or non copyright) claims over that other work. I
> > certainly wouldn't bet any dime for this standing up in court.
>
> <div type="legal digression">
> Actually, I would. I did a lot more than text search and replace;
> I re-implemented it from FIPS 180-2 (work of U.S. government, no copyright)
> and then merged in the *ideas* from the mailing list.
>
> (And from elsewhere; the idea of a five-round macro is from Brian Gladman.)
>
> Remember, to the extent that something is *functional*, it is not
> copyrightable; copyright only covers the non-functional expressive bits.
> The vast majority of that code is simply required by the standard,
> or the desired calling interface.
>
> For a large portion of the rest, remember that standard programming
> conventions (e.g. brace style, macro names IN CAPS, etc.) that's also
> non-copyrightable "scene a faire" material.
>
> It's well established that paraphrasing a recipe avoids copyright;
> the proportions and treatment of the ingredients is not copyrightable.
>
> For more details, see the extensive coverage of the NEC v. Intel decision
> (1989) regarding the firmware for NEC's 8086-clone V20 microprocessor.
> It was found non-infringing despite non-clean-room implementation and
> substantial similarities.
> </div>
Whatever. NEC and Intel were certainly commercial competitors. They
were far from being friends. So if you feel like having too many
friends then just go ahead with that stance.
> As for politeness, that's exactly why I did post it and solicit
> objections.
You said:
|It uses Linus's and Artur's performance ideas, and some of Linus' macro
|ideas (in the rotate implementation), but tries to be textually
|different. Is there anything recognizable that anyone cares to clam
|copyright to?
the "try to be textually different" in order to ask for "anything
recognizable that anyone cares to clam copyright to" is what I find
dubious.
> The purpose of the rewrite is to avoid having to make
> pessimistic assumptions about people who don't respond.
>
> I suppose I should have made that request clearer:
> Is there anyone who claims copyright on anything here?
> Or would just like credit?
> If so, are you willing to donate it to the public domain?
I think this is much nicer to everyone involved.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm OK with giving any small copyright I might
have in this SHA1 implementation, if any, to the public domain.
Credits are always nice.
Nicolas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-17 19:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-17 7:23 Linus' sha1 is much faster! George Spelvin
2009-08-17 14:20 ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-17 17:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-17 17:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2009-08-17 18:54 ` George Spelvin
2009-08-17 19:34 ` Nicolas Pitre [this message]
2009-08-17 23:12 ` George Spelvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-14 23:25 Pádraig Brady
2009-08-15 20:02 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-08-15 20:12 ` John Tapsell
2009-08-15 20:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-08-15 20:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-08-17 1:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
2009-08-26 11:39 ` Pádraig Brady
2017-04-20 21:35 ` galt
2017-04-20 21:38 ` galt
2009-08-17 8:22 ` Andreas Ericsson
2009-08-16 0:06 ` Theodore Tso
2009-08-16 19:25 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-08-16 20:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-08-16 22:15 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-08-16 22:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-08-17 1:53 ` Pádraig Brady
2009-08-17 10:51 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-08-17 15:44 ` Steven Noonan
2009-08-17 16:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-08-17 21:43 ` Steven Noonan
2009-08-17 17:32 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
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