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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Nicolas Pitre <nico@cam.org>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	        gcc@gcc.gnu.org, Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Something is broken in repack
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:10 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0712120826440.25032@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.99999.0712120743040.555@xanadu.home>



On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> 
> So... my conclusion is that the glibc allocator has fragmentation issues 
> with this work load, given the notable difference with the Google 
> allocator, which itself might not be completely immune to fragmentation 
> issues of its own. 

Yes.

Note that delta following involves patterns something like

   allocate (small) space for delta
   for i in (1..depth) {
	allocate large space for base
	allocate large space for result
	.. apply delta ..
	free large space for base
	free small space for delta
   }

so if you have some stupid heap algorithm that doesn't try to merge and 
re-use free'd spaces very aggressively (because that takes CPU time!), you 
might have memory usage be horribly inflated by the heap having all those 
holes for all the objects that got free'd in the chain that don't get 
aggressively re-used.

Threaded memory allocators then make this worse by probably using totally 
different heaps for different threads (in order to avoid locking), so they 
will *all* have the fragmentation issue.

And if you *really* want to cause trouble for a memory allocator, what you 
should try to do is to allocate the memory in one thread, and free it in 
another, and then things can really explode (the freeing thread notices 
that the allocation is not in its thread-local heap, so instead of really 
freeing it, it puts it on a separate list of areas to be freed later by 
the original thread when it needs memory - or worse, it adds it to the 
local thread list, and makes it effectively totally impossible to then 
ever merge different free'd allocations ever again because the freed 
things will be on different heap lists!).

I'm not saying that particular case happens in git, I'm just saying that 
it's not unheard of. And with the delta cache and the object lookup, it's 
not at _all_ impossible that we hit the "allocate in one thread, free in 
another" case!

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-12 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-07 23:05 Something is broken in repack Jon Smirl
2007-12-08  0:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-08  1:27   ` [PATCH] pack-objects: fix delta cache size accounting Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-08  1:46 ` Something is broken in repack Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-08  2:04   ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-08  2:28     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-08  3:29       ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-08  3:37         ` David Brown
2007-12-08  4:22           ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-08  4:30             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-08  5:01               ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-08  5:12                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-08  3:48         ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-08  2:22   ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-08  3:44   ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-08 22:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-09  8:05     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-09 15:19       ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-09 18:25       ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-10  1:07         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-10  2:49     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-08  2:56 ` David Brown
2007-12-10 19:56 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-10 20:05   ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-10 20:16     ` Morten Welinder
2007-12-11  2:25 ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-11  2:55   ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-11  3:27     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11 11:08       ` David Kastrup
2007-12-11 12:08         ` Pierre Habouzit
2007-12-11 12:18           ` David Kastrup
2007-12-11  3:49   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11  5:25     ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-11  5:29       ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-11  7:01         ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-11  7:34           ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-11 13:49           ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11 15:00             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11 15:36               ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-11 16:20               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11 16:21                 ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-12  5:12                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-12  8:05                     ` David Kastrup
2007-12-14 16:18                       ` Wolfram Gloger
2007-12-12 15:48                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-12 16:17                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2007-12-12 16:37                       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-12-12 16:42                         ` David Miller
2007-12-12 16:54                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-12 17:12                         ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-14 16:12                         ` Wolfram Gloger
2007-12-14 16:45                           ` David Kastrup
2007-12-14 16:59                             ` Wolfram Gloger
2007-12-13 13:32                       ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-12-13 15:32                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2007-12-13 16:29                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2007-12-13 16:39                           ` Johannes Sixt
2007-12-14  1:04                             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-14  6:14                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2007-12-14  6:24                                 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-12-14  8:20                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2007-12-14  9:01                                     ` Harvey Harrison
2007-12-14 10:40                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2007-12-14 10:52                                     ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2007-12-14 13:25                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-12 16:13                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-13  7:32                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-14 16:03                         ` Wolfram Gloger
2007-12-11 16:33           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-11 17:21             ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11 17:24               ` David Miller
2007-12-11 17:44                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11 20:26                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-11 18:43             ` Jon Smirl
2007-12-11 18:57               ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11 19:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-11 19:40                 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-12-11 20:34                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2007-12-11 17:28           ` Daniel Berlin
2007-12-11 13:31         ` Nicolas Pitre
2007-12-11  6:01       ` Sean
2007-12-11  6:20         ` Jon Smirl

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