From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS31976 209.132.180.0/23 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RP_MATCHES_RCVD shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E8B2070D for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 14:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751253AbcGGOM5 (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:12:57 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:54219 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751007AbcGGOMz (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:12:55 -0400 Received: from virtualbox ([37.24.141.253]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ldttv-1blNv81qvD-00j2aa; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 16:12:25 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:12:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@virtualbox To: Mike Hommey cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano Subject: Re: [PATCH] am: counteract gender bias In-Reply-To: <20160707124943.GA22668@glandium.org> Message-ID: References: <20160707124943.GA22668@glandium.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:f2pq6oxR+qi4wMn3PJmwJb+x8qQYqYjKoWUxpGuQT2p+9QtUH93 NiWGuwIH71K8LSNwdk+o5PwLNsvnbEMnHhqT7NHmOlj3NiLk9rhQVlqbsEsh8Dt0W3pb+zh mfRnywzZA6ASq4YINXxsgUIkxXDptYrS1prBjqqLHKLf0NaxKMMTUTMk1t07jW2T+wk0+bE dYEk5sBUrFrs16aDJ7vlw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:TxfYyL+Lhs4=:lWnXiAKH934UBK4dpMwxkL VfJU1vTWPnxyPPz1fj2YF4t3DPT8/ZvlzdJfwhjsmf+t55pnplLxNz9Fg8OpLeVLLtPzSN0qh rv5NuAQIYqv2L6htaW/ua6ITM7aCG/v4VkRHU7Ov69mzFDckW1VGKCY77n5qilp3+LvbGSGoO Mhuka4PIVp8stq+jkht4s9ZTdmvm6QRqO5mRw3ldb/IuI5joZ0jrBawGITiCNgnr9b18zkZ0W VBSGdxZesZ3zqoROSsL/mCy3D8OO3TB8hWsZluQ0cMDEWYZnPnXOAqJE/xrOeVtDNJqXr7ERp lSjhi73xvVF1kViBuuki2W5lVHZICKOAoKHjqrhMKopdxfD1JwBo0kdYNj+ruaUDP04JVIo7V WEDt620NNGUMj6UxuIeUJ8MaiAACU1tb7e10CMKRobOXX0d8e1LbU1tR2s9eYCvP5AZHiau3A I90l4wtgXF0oINBRjIM9Wwl/rQ6a6lQLtSxorU36tlFjkJoucW/fqaS6SS73IDHgH0NfdyciV 9OphBlcHT6Tl1u4QPPfJ5ayhxp/cY20z/HfSFGHeGsLMQ26ZDQvk3txwv/ynMeg7j8jSLVBvC tmnKawNEEDwaEIU9RkighU4QiFgsizojwBNo9I93I/VVkUZN5BAesYJOsdCJgeijkOcHrDwAx tFrlqIhXoIPe7atBh2i42JB9Q2K4s1AG+F15EXS1nsrap7ScAIAtqdTsG9NK7zi4ovw27+rd6 ri0EnFHeF73/ELL/luo5833n74qkpaDJ6KgThmNAymtZVuwp7CQN/P6EE6fCI5o4JF2orCu7x wifGNwn Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi Mike, On Thu, 7 Jul 2016, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 01:47:19PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > Since d1c5f2a (Add git-am, applymbox replacement., 2005-10-07), i.e. for > > almost 11 years already, we demonstrated our disrespect to the pioneers > > of software development like Ada Lovelace, Grace Hopper and Margaret > > Hamilton, by pretending that each and every software developer is male > > ("his_tree"). It appears almost as if we weren't fully aware that the > > first professional software developers were all female. > > > > We know our field to have this unfortunate gender bias that has nothing > > to do with qualification or biological reasons, and we are very sad > > about the current gender imbalance of the Git developer community. > > > > Let's start changing that by using the variable name "her_tree" for an > > equal number of years out of fairness, and change to the gender neutral > > "their_tree" after that. > > You make it sound like the decision to use "his" was conscious and on > purpose. I doubt that was the case, especially 11 years ago, when these > issues weren't as publicized. Let's not attribute to malice on part of > the people who wrote those lines what can be attributed to linguistics. It was not my intention to imply that the original decision was conscious. What with me being a non-native speaker, would you kindly suggest a commit message that conveys the intention better? Thanks, Dscho