From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Johannes Schindelin Subject: Re: Considering teaching plumbing to users harmful Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:27:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: References: <487E34EC.40708@iar.se> <487E3BAE.80500@iar.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: git@vger.kernel.org To: Jesper Eskilson X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Wed Jul 16 20:28:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.176.167]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJBjM-00075S-Jj for gcvg-git-2@gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:28:01 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753620AbYGPS1B (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:27:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1753627AbYGPS1B (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:27:01 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:57858 "HELO mail.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1753616AbYGPS1A (ORCPT ); Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:27:00 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Jul 2008 18:26:58 -0000 Received: from grape.st-and.ac.uk (EHLO grape.st-and.ac.uk) [138.251.155.28] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 16 Jul 2008 20:26:58 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1490710 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18P9lpKeVEPnljf3fZCDYTNm76c2fVe8jEDPmPrSZ O5KQ3XUwhgDbkN X-X-Sender: gene099@racer In-Reply-To: <487E3BAE.80500@iar.se> User-Agent: Alpine 1.00 (DEB 882 2007-12-20) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.62 Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: Hi, On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jesper Eskilson wrote: > Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008, Jesper Eskilson wrote: > > > > > Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > > > > Now, it makes me really, really sad that Git has a reputation of > > > > being complicated, but I regularly hear from _my_ users that they > > > > do not understand how that came about. > > > > > > Well, Git is not the easiest tool on the market to learn. For people > > > used to centralized systems such as RCS/CVS/Subversion, many > > > concepts are truly alien. I've recently experienced a transition at > > > our company from MKS/SI (a RCS derivative) to Subversion, and the > > > mental gap was for many users HUGE. Had we done the transition from > > > MKS/SI to Git, I'm sure several user's brains would have exploded. > > > > > > From my perspective, the concept I found most difficult to grasp at > > > the very beginning was how the index worked, and many of the > > > introductory texts on Git that I looked through only very brielfy > > > explained the purpose of the index: Why is it there? Why is it > > > called "index"? How does it fit into a typical workflow? Having a > > > CVS/Subversion background, it took a while for me to really > > > assimilate the concept. > > > > What does your answer have to do with my mail, i.e. with plumbing? > > Nothing, really. I just wanted to comment on your note on Git having a > reputation being complicated. Thanks, but you also read my note that my users did not find Git complicated. And I think it is not because I am _such_ a good instructor. Ciao, Dscho