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From: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
To: Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks.im>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Matthew John Cheetham <mjcheetham@outlook.com>,
	M Hickford <mirth.hickford@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/13] credential: gate new fields on capability
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 00:39:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zg323pR6UYthTakT@tapette.crustytoothpaste.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZgvYLxfNwBcOB_s1@tanuki>

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On 2024-04-02 at 10:04:31, Patrick Steinhardt wrote:
> The intent of this is quite clear to me, but thanks for re-explaining
> the bigger picture :)

Sorry I misunderstood what you were getting it.

> I think you misunderstood my confusion. I didn't meant to say that there
> should be non-boolean capabilities. I was rather missing the picture of
> how exactly you can advertise multiple capabilities with the infra that
> currently exists, and why the infra supports per-phase capabilities.
> 
> Basically, what I would have expected is a protocol where both Git and
> the credential helper initially did a single "handshake" that also
> announces capabilities. So something like:
> 
>     HELPER: capability foobar
>     HELPER: capability barfoo
>        GIT: capability foobar
> 
> Git would only acknowledge capabilities that it both understands and
> that have been announced by the helper. So at the end of this both have
> agreed on a single capability "foobar".
> 
> This is roughly how the remote helper capability subsystem works. What
> this patch is introducing seems quite a bit more complicated than that
> though because we have "staged" capabilities. I assume there is good
> reason for this complexity, but I didn't yet manage to figure out the
> reasoning behind it.
> 
> To ask more specifically: why would one side ever announce a capability
> in phase 1, but not in phase 2? Is the reason that capabilities are in
> fact tied to credentials?

More that they're tied to the credential helper.  For example, say we
have helpers A and B, in that order.  B is incapable, but both A and Git
understand the new authtype capability.  If we announce the capability
as in this series, we can get a new credential using the authtype
capability if A is willing to provide something to us, but we can't if A
has no credentials for us and B wants to provide them for us.

This would also be true if we used your proposal of negotiation, but
because we have external callers (e.g., Git LFS) who may invoke `git
credential fill`, which would be a separate process from `git credential
capability`, we'd still have to have some way to tell `git credential
fill` what capabilities the external caller supported.

The per-phase capabilities are such that we don't request functionality
that our callers can't use.  For example, if our external caller (phase
1) doesn't support the `authtype` credential, then we don't pass it to
the helper (phase 2), since the external caller might not be able to use
the result if we do.  If the external caller (phase 1) _does_ support
it, but the helper does not (phase 2), then we won't return the
capability as the result of `git credential fill` (phase 3), so our
external caller will know that this isn't supported.  As a practical
matter, that doesn't provide a great deal of useful information to the
caller at the moment, but it definitely could in the future (say, if we
had a capability for a certain form of data encoding).

All of this is also true for internal (e.g., git-http-backend) callers,
except that phase 1 has all the capabilities we know about automatically
set, and phase 3 stores the data in the internal structure we'll use for
the `store` and `erase` calls.

I do, however, think some way to query capabilities more generically
would be helpful, so I'll see if I can add such changes into a v2.  I
think we still need the current approach to make the use case I
mentioned work, though.
-- 
brian m. carlson (they/them or he/him)
Toronto, Ontario, CA

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-04  0:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-24  1:12 [PATCH 00/13] Support for arbitrary schemes in credentials brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 01/13] credential: add an authtype field brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 02/13] remote-curl: reset headers on new request brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 03/13] http: use new headers for each object request brian m. carlson
2024-03-27  8:02   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 04/13] credential: add a field for pre-encoded credentials brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 05/13] credential: gate new fields on capability brian m. carlson
2024-03-27  8:02   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-03-27 21:33     ` brian m. carlson
2024-04-02 10:04       ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-04-04  0:39         ` brian m. carlson [this message]
2024-04-04  4:07           ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-03-28 10:20   ` Jeff King
2024-03-28 16:13     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-03-28 16:29       ` Jeff King
2024-03-28 17:25         ` Junio C Hamano
2024-03-28 21:18     ` brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 06/13] docs: indicate new credential protocol fields brian m. carlson
2024-03-25 23:16   ` M Hickford
2024-03-25 23:37     ` brian m. carlson
2024-03-30 13:00       ` M Hickford
2024-03-31 21:43         ` brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 07/13] http: add support for authtype and credential brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 08/13] credential: add an argument to keep state brian m. carlson
2024-04-01 21:05   ` mirth hickford
2024-04-01 22:14     ` brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 09/13] credential: enable state capability brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 10/13] docs: set a limit on credential line length brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:12 ` [PATCH 11/13] t5563: refactor for multi-stage authentication brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:13 ` [PATCH 12/13] strvec: implement swapping two strvecs brian m. carlson
2024-03-27  8:02   ` Patrick Steinhardt
2024-03-27 21:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-03-27 21:34       ` brian m. carlson
2024-03-24  1:13 ` [PATCH 13/13] credential: add support for multistage credential rounds brian m. carlson
2024-03-28  8:00   ` M Hickford
2024-03-28 21:53     ` brian m. carlson
2024-04-01 20:51       ` M Hickford
2024-03-24  2:24 ` [PATCH 00/13] Support for arbitrary schemes in credentials Junio C Hamano
2024-03-24 15:21   ` brian m. carlson
2024-03-24 16:13     ` Junio C Hamano
2024-03-30  8:00 ` M Hickford
2024-03-30  8:16 ` M Hickford
2024-04-02 22:26 ` Calvin Wan
2024-04-04  1:01   ` brian m. carlson
2024-04-08 18:42     ` Jackson Toeniskoetter
2024-04-11  7:00       ` M Hickford
2024-04-12  0:09       ` brian m. carlson
2024-04-11  7:00 ` M Hickford
2024-04-12  0:13   ` brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02 ` [PATCH v2 00/16] " brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 01/16] credential: add an authtype field brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 02/16] remote-curl: reset headers on new request brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 03/16] http: use new headers for each object request brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 04/16] credential: add a field for pre-encoded credentials brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 05/16] credential: gate new fields on capability brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 06/16] credential: add a field called "ephemeral" brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 07/16] docs: indicate new credential protocol fields brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 08/16] http: add support for authtype and credential brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 09/16] credential: add an argument to keep state brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 10/16] credential: enable state capability brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 11/16] docs: set a limit on credential line length brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 12/16] t5563: refactor for multi-stage authentication brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 13/16] credential: add support for multistage credential rounds brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 14/16] t: add credential tests for authtype brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 15/16] credential-cache: implement authtype capability brian m. carlson
2024-04-17  0:02   ` [PATCH v2 16/16] credential: add method for querying capabilities brian m. carlson

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