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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: "SZEDER Gábor" <szeder.dev@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Derrick Stolee" <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	"Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] test-lib.sh: have all tests pass under "-x", remove BASH_XTRACEFD
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:08:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YaaS4Idhdyo2wZ9q@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <patch-1.1-9f735bd0d49-20211129T200950Z-avarab@gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 09:13:23PM +0100, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> Once that's been removed we can dig deeper and see that we only have
> "BASH_XTRACEFD" due to an earlier attempt to work around the same
> issue. See d88785e424a (test-lib: set BASH_XTRACEFD automatically,
> 2016-05-11) and the 90c8a1db9d6 (test-lib: silence "-x" cleanup under
> bash, 2017-12-08) follow-up.
>
> I.e. we had redirection in "test_eval_" to get more relevant trace
> output under bash, which in turn was only needed because
> BASH_XTRACEFD=1 was set, which in turn was trying to work around test
> failures under "set -x".
> 
> It's better if our test suite works the same way on all shells, rather
> than getting a passing run under "bash", only to have it fail with
> "-x" under say "dash". As the deleted code shows this is much simpler
> to implement across our supported POSIX shells.

I'm mildly negative on dropping BASH_XTRACEFD. IMHO it is not worth the
maintenance headache to have to remain vigilant against any shell
function's stderr being examined, when there is single-line solution
that fixes everything. Yes, the cost of using bash is high on some
platforms, but "-x" is an optional feature (though I am sympathetic to
people who are _surprised_ when "-x" breaks things, because it really is
a subtle thing, and knowing "you should try using bash" is not
immediately obvious).

Some folks (like Gábor) disagree and have done the work so far to make
sure that we pass even with "-x". But it feels like this is committing
the whole project to that maintenance. I dunno.

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-30 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-29 13:47 [PATCH 0/2] Set GIT_TRACE2_EVENT_NESTING in test-lib.sh Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-11-29 13:47 ` [PATCH 1/2] test-lib.sh: set GIT_TRACE2_EVENT_NESTING Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-11-29 14:12   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-29 18:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-29 18:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-29 13:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] t/t*: remove custom GIT_TRACE2_EVENT_NESTING Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2021-11-29 18:40 ` [PATCH 0/2] Set GIT_TRACE2_EVENT_NESTING in test-lib.sh Jeff King
2021-11-29 18:44   ` Jeff King
2021-11-30  0:04     ` Taylor Blau
2021-11-30 15:34   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-11-30 22:43     ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-12-01 19:46       ` Jeff King
2021-11-29 20:13 ` [PATCH] test-lib.sh: have all tests pass under "-x", remove BASH_XTRACEFD Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-29 23:23   ` Eric Sunshine
2021-11-30 21:08   ` Jeff King [this message]
2021-11-30 21:50     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-30 22:44     ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-12-01 14:06       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-01 19:38         ` Jeff King
2021-12-01 18:38   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-01 20:11   ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-01 20:11     ` [PATCH v2 1/2] t1510: remove need for "test_untraceable", retain coverage Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-02 19:16       ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-12-02 19:28         ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-12-10  9:47         ` Jeff King
2021-12-10 10:08           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-06 21:40           ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-12-01 20:11     ` [PATCH v2 2/2] test-lib.sh: remove the now-unused "test_untraceable" facility Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-10 10:07     ` [PATCH v3 0/2] test-lib.sh: have all tests pass under "-x", remove BASH_XTRACEFD Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-10 10:07       ` [PATCH v3 1/2] t1510: remove need for "test_untraceable", retain coverage Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-10 10:07       ` [PATCH v3 2/2] test-lib.sh: remove the now-unused "test_untraceable" facility Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 16:32         ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-12-12 17:06           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:14             ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-12-13 18:51               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-14 16:43                 ` Jeff King
2021-12-15 17:05                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-15 17:17                     ` Jeff King
2021-12-15 17:32                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-16 13:04                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13  1:38       ` [PATCH v4 0/3] test-lib.sh: have all tests pass under "-x", remove BASH_XTRACEFD Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13  1:38         ` [PATCH v4 1/3] t1510: remove need for "test_untraceable", retain coverage Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13  1:38         ` [PATCH v4 2/3] test-lib.sh: remove the now-unused "test_untraceable" facility Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13  1:38         ` [PATCH v4 3/3] test-lib.sh: remove "BASH_XTRACEFD" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-21 23:11           ` SZEDER Gábor
2022-02-22 15:14             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13  5:43         ` [PATCH v4 0/3] test-lib.sh: have all tests pass under "-x", remove BASH_XTRACEFD SZEDER Gábor
2022-02-21 19:52           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-21 21:03             ` SZEDER Gábor
2022-02-21 22:41               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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