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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Generate temporary files using a CSPRNG
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:44:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YZPR4Ya1ocWvKbAf@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211116033542.3247094-1-sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 03:35:40AM +0000, brian m. carlson wrote:

> For those who are interested, I computed the probability of spurious
> failure for the self-test mode like so:
> 
>   256 * (255/256)^65536
> 
> This Ruby one-liner estimates the probability at approximately 10^-108:
> 
>   ruby -e 'a = 255 ** 65536; b = 256 ** 65536; puts b.to_s.length - a.to_s.length - 3'
> 
> If I have made an error in the calculation, please do feel free to point
> it out.

Yes, I think your math is correct there.

A more interesting question is whether generating 64k of PRNG bytes per
test run is going to a problem for system entropy pools. For that
matter, I guess the use of it for tempfiles will produce a similar
burden, since we run so many commands. My understanding is that modern
systems will just produce infinite output for /dev/urandom, etc, but I
wonder if there are any systems left where that is not true (because
they have a misguided notion that they need to stir in more "real"
entropy bits).

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-16 15:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-16  3:35 [PATCH 0/2] Generate temporary files using a CSPRNG brian m. carlson
2021-11-16  3:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] wrapper: add a helper to generate numbers from " brian m. carlson
2021-11-16 15:31   ` Jeff King
2021-11-16 16:01     ` rsbecker
2021-11-16 18:22       ` Taylor Blau
2021-11-16 19:58         ` rsbecker
2021-11-16 22:41       ` brian m. carlson
2021-11-16 23:20         ` rsbecker
2021-11-17  0:47           ` Carlo Arenas
2021-11-17  3:05             ` rsbecker
2021-11-17  1:03           ` brian m. carlson
2021-11-17  1:50             ` Carlo Arenas
2021-11-17  3:04               ` Jeff King
2021-11-17  3:12                 ` rsbecker
2021-11-17  3:36                 ` Carlo Arenas
2021-11-17 20:01                   ` Jeff King
2021-11-17 20:19                     ` rsbecker
2021-11-17 23:30                       ` brian m. carlson
2021-11-17 23:34                         ` rsbecker
2021-11-17  3:03             ` rsbecker
2021-11-17  7:39   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-17 23:01     ` brian m. carlson
2021-11-18  7:19       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-18 22:16         ` brian m. carlson
2021-11-22  9:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-16  3:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] wrapper: use a CSPRNG to generate random file names brian m. carlson
2021-11-16 15:36   ` Jeff King
2021-11-16 18:28     ` Taylor Blau
2021-11-16 18:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-11-16 19:21         ` Jeff King
2021-11-16 19:33           ` Taylor Blau
2021-11-16 15:44 ` Jeff King [this message]
2021-11-16 22:17   ` [PATCH 0/2] Generate temporary files using a CSPRNG brian m. carlson
2021-11-16 22:29     ` rsbecker
2021-11-16 20:35 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-11-16 21:06   ` Jeff King
2021-11-17  8:36     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason

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