From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE2F1F8C6 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234096AbhGOQu4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:50:56 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:56746 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S235967AbhGOQuy (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:50:54 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FED3C061760 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id z11so7292015iow.0 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ttaylorr-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=ACo5x/ngCjrSdv+10VO/HntGa6tp8zIFtZUg+3Wt6FA=; b=Nsazi+8XpRjt+OqlJyr+If3mNyPjsfwQveQezaUTrGd4zswz/1N95HqGjs4GcF1oVL sFR6fQvhEY3J2DOWqe9yvsrCtL1D7p7OR6CVKhvP8qjgryPAGPo8i6lAdHklecunmeXB rJZplReN9nabL3DwchY2Ht2W4tdXSZqwNXLZRscDEv8gqwq45kF+O8+vpzggek/oKbzr U2PfW1XMkc6mpMHqtXo9ILytG5mvqSCLS8uRWtobTKkIrH43fj7Sva+wewABhLZBMJOB 5TvmltmHzJb3B2w2xUpW/RmQpWCFOeBBmGQ5T4vlWH/crZNjXDR8GNPGrG/vPGrVD3a/ 0RBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=ACo5x/ngCjrSdv+10VO/HntGa6tp8zIFtZUg+3Wt6FA=; b=HblEq4un4IF4umfFuDBJmE4bTyBYQLJdFdJWdV5QcoKbvAdYDIivMR96M0RG+Gccjr Kpj6MHlrIH+5DpwyALjFWmeOS6SAcNRn7sUiN+FbfZYctzMeTtH4bKAKarsEJ+4KeFKH ms+uduUM81Vot6DqEQbJ77HfxcTnOYvazbYNVGvZRtktaXe8IMpVbkChDh2L9uwQRk9J nYypsTg37AWKcnm6JirJ/TzvMCB1Umo2NvwOIWB5C16sqljTGMUI6u4nNK/WfHXdS1YL ANL/JLwTOnwgnMXIIALfDSwoYM/xhFZZ0i1Q3/1X5bGzka3DKMkkHuoOhrurpoJb30FJ tJkA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532PuKM4fgj1MYBjIXzIswNlDXa5LluFD64g5asAw8cVz7eqpWE+ apHZ1DWqiUlUxhn1UoIGaZysQA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz4Uu0pNVkq8u9Dtul9jZST5mLMmgTNa+QjUQl0T6IWtFFGVkhR8tgyDDqPiTq5p0q4zOECUA== X-Received: by 2002:a02:620a:: with SMTP id d10mr4988073jac.22.1626367680775; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([2600:1700:d843:8f:d40c:332:312b:8a8c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e9sm3183400ils.61.2021.07.15.09.48.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:47:59 -0400 From: Taylor Blau To: Eric Sunshine Cc: Junio C Hamano , =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , Derrick Stolee , Git List Subject: Re: [PATCH] CodingGuidelines: recommend gender-neutral description Message-ID: References: <2c7f188a-6ebe-b116-8299-86ca3732d79a@gmail.com> <87czrl0wob.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 12:35:30PM -0400, Eric Sunshine wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 12:25 PM Junio C Hamano wrote: > > Technical writing seeks to convey information with minimal > > friction. One way that a reader can experience friction is if they > > encounter a description of "a user" that is later simplified using a > > gendered pronoun. If the reader does not consider that pronoun to > > apply to them, then they can experience cognitive dissonance that > > removes focus from the information. > > > > Give some basic tips to guide us avoid unnecessary of gendered > > description. > > Some words seem to be missing from this sentence. I assume that it's supposed to read "guide us [to] avoid unnecessary [uses] of gendered description". > > > diff --git a/Documentation/CodingGuidelines b/Documentation/CodingGuidelines > > @@ -541,6 +541,49 @@ Writing Documentation: > > + A contributor asks their upstream to pull from them. > > + > > + Note that this sounds ungrammatical and unnatural to those who > > + learned English as a second language in some parts of the world. > > It also sounds ungrammatical and unnatural to this native English speaker. Apologies if this suggestion has been made earlier in the thread, but this article https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/grammar/singular-they document from the APA's style guide helps convince me that this is grammatical. Thanks, Taylor