From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD5A1F5AE for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 00:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233005AbhFRA4M (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Jun 2021 20:56:12 -0400 Received: from injection.crustytoothpaste.net ([192.241.140.119]:51100 "EHLO injection.crustytoothpaste.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231441AbhFRA4L (ORCPT ); Thu, 17 Jun 2021 20:56:11 -0400 Received: from camp.crustytoothpaste.net (unknown [69.17.174.146]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by injection.crustytoothpaste.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2EB0660749; Fri, 18 Jun 2021 00:54:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=crustytoothpaste.net; s=default; t=1623977642; bh=d+VjCH9ajI0s5+ImjoGcREtKxia75+qlvizDIcwyalc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Content-Type: Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:From:Reply-To:Subject:Date:To:CC: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:Content-Disposition; b=nWy1E0zG1tTMjPyzlF+a9DDqLP8LYnLxKqh6clU43Aj8SRjhoVgMhJnfYCjH84ngb OEehh5Mz+SQnbPxhRSIZVFnc2Y0VjoVqufYbeSpT+rjHQQEvvZHAVY6wtkuiEUOXk8 ZC2G6N/G+VR0NrHYXBAyynvyo5YNjjV6gVk/3U/ZlHaZNb6h9hVPx5ItWs+sym1kgs osN11YFSoqxY88UgpOS3Y+i19LBLv4IXQ4JyI508WEzByy1jHDfjOXmxua3P1BYUfC IBKDM2i67LKRx6RAENgCtr72d9KtZmreOvSxczMl1wm9kQ+pd59TS+V8UlVyv6n4kj yym0llm0wDjkD/2sj+k5JQOmW/akAb3pA9+lFDmgKMmzL/3wsWk/tTEaYWCaek0CsU AABQ4+PZ6wyIqBCXiK4eM+b7Eg6Lbhda0B7bZaA2N3IkmkwatHA+xhLt1mC1Q6JUGn 5Em1Zs+j0bn6XFlkSXqoAY/Mmr3AX8ISaUpH5v3acBT2PEx1/Iu Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 00:53:58 +0000 From: "brian m. carlson" To: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason Cc: Junio C Hamano , Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget , git@vger.kernel.org, stolee@gmail.com, jrnieder@gmail.com, emilyshaffer@google.com, Andrei Rybak , Felipe Contreras , Robert Karszniewicz , Jeff King , "Kerry, Richard" , Phillip Susi , Johannes Schindelin , Bagas Sanjaya , Derrick Stolee , Derrick Stolee Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/4] CodingGuidelines: recommend singular they Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: "brian m. carlson" , =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , Junio C Hamano , Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget , git@vger.kernel.org, stolee@gmail.com, jrnieder@gmail.com, emilyshaffer@google.com, Andrei Rybak , Felipe Contreras , Robert Karszniewicz , Jeff King , "Kerry, Richard" , Phillip Susi , Johannes Schindelin , Bagas Sanjaya , Derrick Stolee , Derrick Stolee References: <87a6nryt51.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> <87bl85y15s.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z5EoyfMke1KM738J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87bl85y15s.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.5 (2021-01-21) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org --z5EoyfMke1KM738J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2021-06-16 at 19:54:20, =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason wrote: > The references to "gendered prounouns" etc. are gone, perhaps there's a > good reason to re-include them, but the point of "isn't that issue > solved by recommending an orthagonal approach?" is one of the many > things Stolee hasn't been addressing in the threads related to this > series. I think I've addressed this. Sometimes you can avoid referring to people and therefore avoiding pronouns, and sometimes the prose reads better if you talk about the user or actor. Also, sometimes you need to discuss a matter at length and using variety in your language is desirable, so you may want to, for example, avoid continually using the passive voice to discuss the topic. I don't think it's fair to just say "don't refer to the user or other humans if you'd need to use third-person pronouns" because I don't think that's applicable in all cases. I, for one, don't intend to write my commit messages in that way because I think it will make them substantially worse. For example, I often discuss the behavior or expectations of users when writing FAQ entries or other documentation and sometimes we'll need to use pronouns. I agree that in many cases we can effectively rephrase to avoid needing to do this, but if we acknowledge that sometimes we will need to write using third-person personal pronouns in some cases, it's worth documenting what those should be. --=20 brian m. carlson (he/him or they/them) Toronto, Ontario, CA --z5EoyfMke1KM738J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.3.1 (GNU/Linux) iHUEABYKAB0WIQQILOaKnbxl+4PRw5F8DEliiIeigQUCYMvupQAKCRB8DEliiIei gWjwAP4i5UBs7KvkuR/TbcrtKnnoIsUUxAA2hlFkOa1kd1mwQgEA8zeVD//Y7/I4 cLDeeSY0bdgtxyDoh8WyyM0cXZXJDAs= =M7r7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z5EoyfMke1KM738J--