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From: Emily Shaffer <emilyshaffer@google.com>
To: "Randall S. Becker" <rsbecker@nexbridge.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org,
	"'Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason'" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"'Junio C Hamano'" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"'Jeff Hostetler'" <git@jeffhostetler.com>,
	"'Bagas Sanjaya'" <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5] tr2: log parent process name
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 15:24:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YL/uNYuADscBJUu2@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <023201d75cb4$02006d10$06014730$@nexbridge.com>

On Tue, Jun 08, 2021 at 06:16:57PM -0400, Randall S. Becker wrote:
> 
> On June 8, 2021 6:11 PM, Emily Shaffer wrote:
> >It can be useful to tell who invoked Git - was it invoked manually by a user via CLI or script? By an IDE?  In some cases - like 'repo' tool -
> >we can influence the source code and set the GIT_TRACE2_PARENT_SID environment variable from the caller process. In 'repo''s case,
> >that parent SID is manipulated to include the string "repo", which means we can positively identify when Git was invoked by 'repo' tool.
> >However, identifying parents that way requires both that we know which tools invoke Git and that we have the ability to modify the source
> >code of those tools. It cannot scale to keep up with the various IDEs and wrappers which use Git, most of which we don't know about.
> >Learning which tools and wrappers invoke Git, and how, would give us insight to decide where to improve Git's usability and performance.
> >
> >Unfortunately, there's no cross-platform reliable way to gather the name of the parent process. If procfs is present, we can use that;
> >otherwise we will need to discover the name another way. However, the process ID should be sufficient to look up the process name on
> >most platforms, so that code may be shareable.
> >
> >Git for Windows gathers similar information and logs it as a "data_json"
> >event. However, since "data_json" has a variable format, it is difficult to parse effectively in some languages; instead, let's pursue a
> >dedicated "cmd_ancestry" event to record information about the ancestry of the current process and a consistent, parseable way.
> >
> >Git for Windows also gathers information about more than one generation of parent. In Linux further ancestry info can be gathered with
> >procfs, but it's unwieldy to do so. In the interest of later moving Git for Windows ancestry logging to the 'cmd_ancestry' event, and in the
> >interest of later adding more ancestry to the Linux implementation - or of adding this functionality to other platforms which have an
> >easier time walking the process tree - let's make 'cmd_ancestry' accept an array of parentage.
> 
> We are probably going to have to discuss this one at more length. On
> NonStop, in some cases, I have access to the program arguments of the
> parent (rather like ps -ef) in POSIX-land, but not from the other
> personality. I do have access to the program object name, in both
> sides, although if someone replaces the object - which is not actually
> possible for a running program, but a rename is - the object may end
> up being somewhat meaningless or mangled. My suspicion is that I'm
> going to have to supply different things for the two personalities,
> but I'm not sure what as of yet.

I guess I'm having trouble understanding - it sounds like you're
describing one process with a graph of ancestry instead of a line. Does
that mean we shouldn't be tracing the ancestry the way we are?

 - Emily

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-08 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-07  0:29 [PATCH] tr2: log parent process name Emily Shaffer
2021-05-07  3:25 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-07 17:09 ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-10 12:29 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-11 21:31   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-14 22:06   ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-16  3:48     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-17 20:17       ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-11 17:28 ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-05-14 22:07   ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-20 21:05 ` [PATCH v2] " Emily Shaffer
2021-05-20 21:36   ` Randall S. Becker
2021-05-20 23:23     ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-21 13:20       ` Randall S. Becker
2021-05-21 16:24         ` Randall S. Becker
2021-05-21  2:09   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-21 19:02     ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-21 23:22       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-24 18:37         ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-21 19:15   ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-05-21 20:05     ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-21 20:23       ` Randall S. Becker
2021-05-22 11:18       ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-05-24 23:33       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-05-24 20:10   ` [PATCH v3] " Emily Shaffer
2021-05-24 20:49     ` Emily Shaffer
2021-05-25  3:54     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-25 13:33       ` Randall S. Becker
2021-06-08 18:58     ` [PATCH v4] " Emily Shaffer
2021-06-08 20:56       ` Emily Shaffer
2021-06-08 22:10       ` [PATCH v5] " Emily Shaffer
2021-06-08 22:16         ` Randall S. Becker
2021-06-08 22:24           ` Emily Shaffer [this message]
2021-06-08 22:39             ` Randall S. Becker
2021-06-09 20:17               ` Emily Shaffer
2021-06-16  8:42         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-06-28 16:45         ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-06-29 23:51           ` Emily Shaffer
2021-06-30  6:10             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-22  0:21               ` Emily Shaffer
2021-07-22  1:27         ` [PATCH v6 0/2] " Emily Shaffer
2021-07-22  1:27           ` [PATCH v6 1/2] tr2: make process info collection platform-generic Emily Shaffer
2021-08-02  9:34             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-22  1:27           ` [PATCH v6 2/2] tr2: log parent process name Emily Shaffer
2021-07-22 21:02             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-02  9:38             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-02 12:45               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-02 10:22             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-02 12:47               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-02 15:23               ` Jeff Hostetler
2021-08-02 16:10               ` Randall S. Becker
2021-08-02 18:41                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-25 23:19               ` [PATCH 0/6] tr2: plug memory leaks + logic errors + Win32 & Linux feature parity Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-25 23:19                 ` [PATCH 1/6] tr2: remove NEEDSWORK comment for "non-procfs" implementations Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-25 23:19                 ` [PATCH 2/6] tr2: clarify TRACE2_PROCESS_INFO_EXIT comment under Linux Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-25 23:19                 ` [PATCH 3/6] tr2: stop leaking "thread_name" memory Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26  3:09                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-25 23:19                 ` [PATCH 4/6] tr2: fix memory leak & logic error in 2f732bf15e6 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26  3:21                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-25 23:19                 ` [PATCH 5/6] tr2: do compiler enum check in trace2_collect_process_info() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26  3:23                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-25 23:19                 ` [PATCH 6/6] tr2: log N parent process names on Linux Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-25 23:49                   ` Eric Sunshine
2021-08-26  4:07                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-08-26 12:24                     ` "I don't know what the author meant by that..." (was "Re: [PATCH 6/6] tr2: log N parent process names on Linux") Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 12:22                 ` [PATCH v2 0/6] tr2: plug memory leaks + logic errors + Win32 & Linux feature parity Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 12:22                   ` [PATCH v2 1/6] tr2: remove NEEDSWORK comment for "non-procfs" implementations Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 12:22                   ` [PATCH v2 2/6] tr2: clarify TRACE2_PROCESS_INFO_EXIT comment under Linux Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 12:22                   ` [PATCH v2 3/6] tr2: stop leaking "thread_name" memory Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 12:22                   ` [PATCH v2 4/6] tr2: fix memory leak & logic error in 2f732bf15e6 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 15:58                     ` Eric Sunshine
2021-08-26 16:42                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-26 12:22                   ` [PATCH v2 5/6] tr2: do compiler enum check in trace2_collect_process_info() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 12:22                   ` [PATCH v2 6/6] tr2: log N parent process names on Linux Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-26 22:38                   ` [PATCH v2 0/6] tr2: plug memory leaks + logic errors + Win32 & Linux feature parity Taylor Blau
2021-08-27  8:02                   ` [PATCH v3 " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-27  8:02                     ` [PATCH v3 1/6] tr2: remove NEEDSWORK comment for "non-procfs" implementations Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-27  8:02                     ` [PATCH v3 2/6] tr2: clarify TRACE2_PROCESS_INFO_EXIT comment under Linux Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-27  8:02                     ` [PATCH v3 3/6] tr2: stop leaking "thread_name" memory Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-27  8:02                     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] tr2: leave the parent list empty upon failure & don't leak memory Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-27  8:02                     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] tr2: do compiler enum check in trace2_collect_process_info() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-27  8:02                     ` [PATCH v3 6/6] tr2: log N parent process names on Linux Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-31  0:17                     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] tr2: plug memory leaks + logic errors + Win32 & Linux feature parity Taylor Blau
2021-08-02 10:30             ` [PATCH v6 2/2] tr2: log parent process name Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-08-02 16:24               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-08-02 18:42                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-07-22 16:59           ` [PATCH v6 0/2] " Jeff Hostetler

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