From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-ASN: AS53758 23.128.96.0/24 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLACK shortcircuit=no autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E061F5AE for ; Wed, 19 May 2021 19:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231889AbhESTJc (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2021 15:09:32 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48586 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231974AbhESTJc (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 May 2021 15:09:32 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-x536.google.com (mail-pg1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::536]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 000E4C06175F for ; Wed, 19 May 2021 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pg1-x536.google.com with SMTP id q15so10114976pgg.12 for ; Wed, 19 May 2021 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; bh=riPNMzgx4RZsCaCRex1sDuQG3dubTpn1CO6kT+jLFSs=; b=AU5W9nMcBZiLPcVxdBBXu/Vob1a407v1imrgCd/WatB7H4drGwZlcToknKxfAlU7rQ 1kH2Rq2KH+5m1Tn+6x8Ylvl8Je1RAsrJU24ccxn9YMJp6KZFW98qHMbUi3N5g51zpc9s iBW585HISEBbWMnvIj1J4kc+4k/0NvZC9fFrYkayK0M8mZI4Iq4SSqyEztqyxo5Qqn0m JKZjh/eAKGhoWKsvobfAQWmj+GmXl2aEDp6KAW2piwRoM1jaljJdGCX8hkcOGprAECZR CuDwyoLOxKLaVxPu9OE6Rqgqir9AdXTCT0MCNuYvMCFFAevy6p5GUWYrm1AurzxHS3Kq aKDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to; bh=riPNMzgx4RZsCaCRex1sDuQG3dubTpn1CO6kT+jLFSs=; b=EfVJp91SB4VqhXuaAcO8Dd+rVKwvRd7YSWuSBGYwioi36BpXWRJr7B1w8NR7QQ8pCw 05Mh2IGVdyIy8cGb+NufeX0P0rlFNvNaWw4Z7hCoVYlS5UnTMg156ODo0apfZumaIjwa uxuKj4hcaNl1XsjfD0xzegE3fFjbKHjsGyqkVgl0BPXupiun/uc+gDMqSbkL2RZ1Z1HA Xj5xI82ZbtF3lZYoE0LMCp4/Pu6zfK+500pQ3HWZB8xEF3do7KfsMN1c0fgTBXFCWIHT QBjWqPyTTerFjr1HAl4f554CDMyojHRqmJqiQUTaCmk80FdYQHw7z2/40edPGxhhHz/S MSuw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532tiQTYNuhgsyrk2L8IhYY6bpDX+10H+18CSJM6anohenBnRSrE wjm/2zD7YFwF6XdL01XodZYQEH+rSBQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzXIBKwDiCk7/jk4tC68+F0kqGQ6zITlyJvg91U+xAbkPnxXZYR/snr1ar4NkX6EUup3fh2Rw== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9d86:0:b029:2dc:9acd:620d with SMTP id f6-20020aa79d860000b02902dc9acd620dmr658665pfq.30.1621451290507; Wed, 19 May 2021 12:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from google.com ([2620:15c:2ce:200:4edd:d685:2ff9:b567]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z12sm148996pfk.45.2021.05.19.12.08.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 19 May 2021 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 12:08:07 -0700 From: Jonathan Nieder To: Emily Shaffer Cc: Git List , Jan =?utf-8?Q?Kr=C3=BCger?= Subject: Re: Should we do something with #git-devel on Freenode? Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi, Emily Shaffer wrote[0]: > Seems like there's been some kerfuffle with Freenode staff and new > ownership[1][2][3]. What does this mean for Git project? I think #git > on Freenode isn't maintained by Git developers directly, right? https://gitirc.eu/ involved a lot of work by Jan Krüger (thanks!), so cc-ing him since he likely knows who else is active there. [...] > We do > theoretically keep up #git-devel on Freenode, though it's largely > silent. Should we be worrying? Migrating? The main practical struggle on #git-devel has been spam. I don't know that any particular IRC network is better at spam prevention than others. It looks like most of the Freenode admins have moved to https://libera.chat/, so that would be a close equivalent. Another alternative is OFTC , which is used by irc.debian.org, for example. There are also other real-time chat programs such as Zulip (open source, used in Outreachy), Discord (used by LLVM), and Slack (used by Chromium); each has its benefits and flaws. Thanks, Jonathan [0] https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAJoAoZ=e62sceNpcR5L5zjsj177uczTnXjcAg+BbOoOkeH8vXQ@mail.gmail.com/ > [1] https://boingboing.net/2021/05/19/freenode-irc-staff-quit-after-new-owner-seizes-control.html > [2] https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 > [3] https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt