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From: "brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/15] cache: add an algo member to struct object_id
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 01:08:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YHZApIpPBhpmwscP@camp.crustytoothpaste.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <38f48634-077b-6351-5285-f8ecc6f552d0@gmail.com>

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On 2021-04-13 at 12:12:21, Derrick Stolee wrote:
> On 4/10/2021 11:21 AM, brian m. carlson wrote:
> > Now that we're working with multiple hash algorithms in the same repo,
> > it's best if we label each object ID with its algorithm so we can
> > determine how to format a given object ID. Add a member called algo to
> > struct object_id.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
> > ---
> >  hash.h | 1 +
> >  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/hash.h b/hash.h
> > index 3fb0c3d400..dafdcb3335 100644
> > --- a/hash.h
> > +++ b/hash.h
> > @@ -181,6 +181,7 @@ static inline int hash_algo_by_ptr(const struct git_hash_algo *p)
> >  
> >  struct object_id {
> >  	unsigned char hash[GIT_MAX_RAWSZ];
> > +	int algo;
> >  };
> 
> What are the performance implications of adding this single bit
> (that actually costs us 4 to 8 bytes, based on alignment)? Later
> in the series you add longer hash comparisons, too. These seem
> like they will affect performance for existing SHA-1 repos, and
> it would be nice to know how much we are paying for this support.

I will do some performance numbers on these patches, but it will likely
be the weekend before I can get to it.  I think this will add 4 bytes on
most platforms, since int is typically 32 bits, and the alignment
requirement would be for the most strictly aligned member, which is the
int, so a 4-byte alignment.  I don't think the alignment requirements
are especially onerous here.

> I assume that we already checked what happened when GIT_MAX_RAWSZ
> increased, but that seemed worth the cost so we could have SHA-256
> at all. I find the justification for this interoperability mode to
> be less significant, and potentially adding too much of a tax onto
> both SHA-1 repos that will never upgrade, and SHA-256 repos that
> upgrade all at once (or start as SHA-256).

The entire goal of the interoperability is to let people seamlessly and
transparently move from SHA-1 to SHA-256.  Currently, the only way
people can move a SHA-1 repository to a SHA-256 repository is with
fast-import and fast-export, which loses all digital signatures and tags
to blobs.  This also requires a flag day.

SHA-1 can now be attacked for USD 45,000.  That means it is within the
budget of a dedicated professional and virtually all medium or large
corporations, including even most municipal governments, to create a
SHA-1 collision.  Unfortunately, the way we deal with this is to die, so
as soon as this happens, the repository fails closed.  While an attacker
cannot make use of the collisions to spread malicious objects, because
of the way Git works, they can effectively DoS a repository, which is in
itself a security issue.  Fixing this requires major surgery.

We need the interoperability code to let people transition their
repositories away from SHA-1, even if it has some performance impact,
because without that most SHA-1 repositories will never transition.
That's what's outlined in the transition plan, and why that approach was
proposed, even though it would be nicer to avoid having to implement it
at all.

I will endeavor to make the performance impact as small as possible, of
course, and ideally there will be none.  I am sensitive to the fact that
people do run absurdly large workloads on Git, as we both know, and I do
want to support that.
-- 
brian m. carlson (he/him or they/them)
Houston, Texas, US

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-14  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-10 15:21 [PATCH 00/15] SHA-256 / SHA-1 interop, part 1 brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 01/15] sha1-file: allow hashing objects literally with any algorithm brian m. carlson
2021-04-15  8:55   ` Denton Liu
2021-04-15 23:03     ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-16 15:04   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-16 18:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 02/15] builtin/hash-object: allow literally hashing with a given algorithm brian m. carlson
2021-04-11  8:52   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-11 21:07     ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-16 15:21   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-16 17:27   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 03/15] cache: add an algo member to struct object_id brian m. carlson
2021-04-11 11:55   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-11 21:37     ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-13 12:12   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-04-14  1:08     ` brian m. carlson [this message]
2021-04-15  8:47       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-15 23:51         ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 04/15] Always use oidread to read into " brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 05/15] hash: add a function to finalize object IDs brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 06/15] Use the final_oid_fn to finalize hashing of " brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 07/15] builtin/pack-redundant: avoid casting buffers to struct object_id brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 08/15] cache: compare the entire buffer for " brian m. carlson
2021-04-11  8:17   ` Chris Torek
2021-04-11 11:36   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-11 21:05     ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 09/15] hash: set and copy algo field in " brian m. carlson
2021-04-11 11:57   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-11 21:48     ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-11 22:12       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-11 23:52         ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-12 11:02           ` [PATCH 0/2] C99: harder dependency on variadic macros Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-12 11:02             ` [PATCH 1/2] git-compat-util.h: clarify comment on GCC-specific code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-13  7:57               ` Jeff King
2021-04-13 21:07                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-14  5:21                   ` Jeff King
2021-04-14  6:12                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-14  7:31                       ` Jeff King
2021-05-21  2:06               ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-04-12 11:02             ` [PATCH 2/2] C99 support: remove non-HAVE_VARIADIC_MACROS code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-12 17:58               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-13  8:00                 ` Jeff King
2021-05-21  2:50               ` Jonathan Nieder
2021-04-12 12:14             ` [PATCH 0/2] C99: harder dependency on variadic macros Bagas Sanjaya
2021-04-12 12:41               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-12 22:57                 ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-12 23:19                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-01-28 11:11             ` [PATCH v2 0/2] C99: remove hardcoded-out !HAVE_VARIADIC_MACROS code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-28 11:11               ` [PATCH v2 1/2] git-compat-util.h: clarify GCC v.s. C99-specific in comment Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-28 11:11               ` [PATCH v2 2/2] C99: remove hardcoded-out !HAVE_VARIADIC_MACROS code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-28 22:40                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-19 10:41               ` [PATCH v3 0/3] C99: remove dead " Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-19 10:41                 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] git-compat-util.h: clarify GCC v.s. C99-specific in comment Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-19 10:41                 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] C99: remove hardcoded-out !HAVE_VARIADIC_MACROS code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-19 10:41                 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] trace.h: remove never-used TRACE_CONTEXT Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-20 12:02                   ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-20 12:38                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-20 20:12                       ` Junio C Hamano
2022-02-21 16:05                 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] C99: remove dead !HAVE_VARIADIC_MACROS code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-21 16:05                   ` [PATCH v4 1/2] git-compat-util.h: clarify GCC v.s. C99-specific in comment Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-02-21 16:05                   ` [PATCH v4 2/2] C99: remove hardcoded-out !HAVE_VARIADIC_MACROS code Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-12 10:53         ` [PATCH 09/15] hash: set and copy algo field in struct object_id Junio C Hamano
2021-04-12 11:13           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 10/15] hash: provide per-algorithm null OIDs brian m. carlson
2021-04-11 14:03   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-11 21:51     ` brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 11/15] builtin/show-index: set the algorithm for object IDs brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 12/15] commit-graph: don't store file hashes as struct object_id brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 13/15] builtin/pack-objects: avoid using struct object_id for pack hash brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 14/15] hex: default to the_hash_algo on zero algorithm value brian m. carlson
2021-04-10 15:21 ` [PATCH 15/15] hex: print objects using the hash algorithm member brian m. carlson

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