From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on dcvr.yhbt.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342AD1F9FD for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 20:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234562AbhCNUVg (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:21:36 -0400 Received: from injection.crustytoothpaste.net ([192.241.140.119]:40502 "EHLO injection.crustytoothpaste.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S233634AbhCNUVQ (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Mar 2021 16:21:16 -0400 Received: from camp.crustytoothpaste.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:b978:101:7d4e:cde:7c41:71c2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by injection.crustytoothpaste.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C23CF6046C; Sun, 14 Mar 2021 20:20:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=crustytoothpaste.net; s=default; t=1615753244; bh=b7U+dfD5ubOhGbnQucYFoCZEg6MfKMQXGwGV0Qh1+GY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Content-Type: Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:From:Reply-To:Subject:Date:To:CC: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:Content-Disposition; b=FpzA5Wpm+IP7WAv1cV+HvaRnPv73b0TCMBHYr/YOcBCjHq0mILRQXYD/VRAqRgJwf aU3rRgu+OZncyE5jAqYsHGZVDidv/Ci7xFn51r3XF0wPJZ0a4mxgYTfGhd0r6uvAs5 8VoKWpEAEzRR3NIJ0s9ma33ybnn3PxdoSSvIMgCK9MMUVaIziyPU+z+0Bp6vGZgGHX CjByvezmhZ7byIt91gP3y/sCs3DJTaKZFJl4w2X9OSzwzquWH1VUt9lVNicewmhJ9G cnrChqZMmavnwyK6NvImAyEdQ6ChX7LCVpoWXSGPwJpH5pJhMZFrc3bEXIHpvkqg+S YLQfjhZVGGb0PzAJmE3bsAJSkpbUoj+rzPzhFUfUaxoJdvd4XEf5wMbFqR7oIE49Sn +BEMitq04YnlN9eNI7rCQCUWWjl0SlNc2A4VJTpoXUqGLIf8budeD7e3OXjcsV8n6f UNGM4yJNtRRf3xjo71on7cgkW/Dj9KdVnTghh51jByA0acTgBaP Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2021 20:20:39 +0000 From: "brian m. carlson" To: Christian Strasser Cc: git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Git install crashed nearly whole System Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: "brian m. carlson" , Christian Strasser , git@vger.kernel.org References: <8aa7be071abc23371397f72b725babc4e4e90190.camel@avr-fun.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8l1AoHVoLyrqrj54" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8aa7be071abc23371397f72b725babc4e4e90190.camel@avr-fun.de> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0.5 (2021-01-21) Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org --8l1AoHVoLyrqrj54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2021-03-14 at 18:23:40, Christian Strasser wrote: > Hello all, >=20 > I installed Git yesterday on my system. For that I used =E2=80=9Csudo apt= -get > install git-all=E2=80=9D. During the installation a lot of very important > packages got removed! It was horrible, and I couldn=E2=80=99t use my gnome > desktop environment at all! A lot off dependencies got lost! > Fortunately, I could save my system through read out the information > about removed packages from the apt history. >=20 > Today I totally removed git and tried to install everything again with > the same instruction. The same misbehavior did happen! This is best reported to Debian because it's a packaging problem, but I'll tell you what's happening. By default, Debian installs recommends. When you specified git-all, you also asked to install git-daemon-run or git-daemon-sysvinit, and the former is the preferred option. So that causes systemd to be uninstalled and sysvinit to replace it instead, and because GNOME on Debian is configured to require systemd and not to work with sysvinit, GNOME gets removed. There are a couple problems here. First, you don't want to install git-all as a package because it has this behavior, and git-all should not be configured such that installing it causes your init system to be changed. That is a serious packaging problem. Second, GNOME should gracefully work with whatever init system is on the system, so that users can pick the one that's right for them. Non-Linux systems don't even have systemd, so GNOME should be appropriately packaged so it doesn't have this problem. None of this has anything to do with Git the project, which provides source tarballs only and relies on distributors to build binary packages. All of these are Debian packaging problems and should be reported in a series of bugs to Debian (usually via reportbug). In the meantime, you should install the git and git-man packages if you want to use core Git, and optionally git-email, git-svn, or git-cvs if you want various other parts. You don't really want to run git-daemon outside of a controlled environment because the Git protocol provides no authentication or encryption and you shouldn't expose such services publicly. --=20 brian m. carlson (he/him or they/them) Houston, Texas, US --8l1AoHVoLyrqrj54 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.2.27 (GNU/Linux) iHUEABYKAB0WIQQILOaKnbxl+4PRw5F8DEliiIeigQUCYE5wFQAKCRB8DEliiIei gbgUAP9uqaAhMLbo0UrqpVaTAT39Ff4Utv3SCXbfn2kSTU0ZiAEA9zQp7BFrOI/D wZwtQSYLrGZaMU7dvOKx6dekqP9zZA0= =5Tn8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8l1AoHVoLyrqrj54--