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From: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, dstolee@microsoft.com, gitster@pobox.com,
	peff@peff.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:03:06 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YCSeami0pkLy20tK@nand.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <320ef364-05ac-7d51-a6f9-770d32590766@gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 09:48:20PM -0500, Derrick Stolee wrote:
> nit: use multi-pack-index or MIDX, not lower-case 'midx'.

Thanks.

> > +Crucially, the objects' positions within this pseudo-pack are the same
> > +as their bit positions in a multi-pack reachability bitmap.
> > +
> > +As a motivating example, consider the multi-pack reachability bitmap
> > +(which does not yet exist, but is what we are building towards here). We
> > +need each bit to correspond to an object covered by the midx, and we
> > +need to be able to convert bit positions back to index positions (from
> > +which we can get the oid, etc).
>
> These paragraphs are awkward. Instead of operating in the hypothetical
> world of reachability bitmaps, focus on the fact that bitmaps need
> a bidirectional mapping between "bit position" and an object ID.

Hmm. I could buy that these paragraphs are awkward, but I'm not sure
that what you proposed makes it less so.

I may be a bad person to judge what you wrote, since I am familiar with
the details of what it's describing. But my thoughts on that second and
third paragraph are basically:

  - define the valid orderings we might consider objects in a MIDX by,
    indicating which of those orderings we're going to use for
    multi-pack bitmaps

  - motivate the need for a mapping between lexicographic order and
    pseudo-pack order

> Here is an attempt to reword some of the context you are using here.
> Feel free to take as much or as little as you want.
>
>   The multi-pack-index stores the object IDs in lexicographical order
>   (lex-order) to allow binary search. To allow compressible reachability
>   bitmaps to pair with a multi-pack-index, a different ordering is
>   required. When paired with a single packfile, the order used is the
>   object order within the packfile (called the pack-order). Construct
>   a "pseudo-pack" by concatenating all tracked packfiles in the
>   multi-pack-index. We now need a mapping between the lex-order and the
>   pseudo-pack-order.

I struggled with what you wrote because I couldn't seem to neatly
place/replace that paragraph in with the existing text without referring
to yet-undefined concepts.

Maybe the confusion lies in the fact that we stray too far from the
point in the second and third paragraphs. What if we reordered the
second, third, and fourth paragraph like this:

		Instead of mapping between offset, pack-, and index position, this
		reverse index maps between an object's position within the MIDX, and
		that object's position within a pseudo-pack that the MIDX describes.

		To clarify these three orderings, consider a multi-pack reachability
		bitmap (which does not yet exist, but is what we are building towards
		here). Each bit needs to correspond to an object in the MIDX, and so we
		need an efficient mapping from bit position to MIDX position.

		One solution is to let bits occupy the same position in the oid-sorted
		index stored by the MIDX. But because oids are effectively random, there
		resulting reachability bitmaps would have no locality, and thus compress
		poorly. (This is the reason that single-pack bitmaps use the pack
		ordering, and not the .idx ordering, for the same purpose.)

		So we'd like to define an ordering for the whole MIDX based around
		pack ordering, which has far better locality (and thus compresses more
		efficiently). We can think of a pseudo-pack created by the concatenation
		of all of the packs in the MIDX. E.g., if we had a MIDX with three packs
		(a, b, c), with 10, 15, and 20 objects respectively, we can imagine an
		ordering of the objects like:

> [snip]
>
> The rest of these details make sense and sufficiently motivate the
> ordering, once the concept is clear.
>
> Thanks,
> -Stolee

Thanks,
Taylor

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-11  3:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-10 23:02 [PATCH 0/9] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 1/9] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:27   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  2:34     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 2/9] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-02-11 19:33   ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-15 15:49     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 17:01       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 0/5] commit-graph: parse_options() cleanup Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 1/5] commit-graph: define common usage with a macro Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-16 11:33           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 2/5] commit-graph: remove redundant handling of -h Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-16 11:35           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 3/5] commit-graph: use parse_options_concat() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:51           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 19:53             ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 20:39             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-17 21:13               ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-09-17 22:03                 ` Jeff King
2021-09-18  4:30                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-18  7:20                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-18 15:56                       ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-18 15:58                         ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-18  0:58                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 4/5] commit-graph: refactor dispatch loop for style Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:53           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:40             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-16 12:02               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-16 18:28                 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 5/5] commit-graph: show usage on "commit-graph [write|verify] garbage" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 19:06           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:43           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 21:01         ` [PATCH v2 0/4] midx: split out sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 1/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 2/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:39             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 21:45               ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:47                 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 3/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 4/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:54             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 22:34               ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 23:11                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 23:49                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:50           ` [PATCH v2 0/4] midx: split out sub-commands Derrick Stolee
2021-02-16 14:28             ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 3/9] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 4/9] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:33   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  2:35     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 5/9] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 6/9] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:48   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  3:03     ` Taylor Blau [this message]
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 7/9] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:53   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  3:04     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  7:54   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-11 14:54     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 8/9] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 9/9] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:58 ` [PATCH 0/9] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  3:06   ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  8:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-11 18:37   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11 18:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-24 19:09 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] " Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 01/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 02/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 03/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 04/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-03-02  4:06     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-02 19:02       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  1:54         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-04  3:02           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 05/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't enter bogus cmd_mode Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 06/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: display usage on unrecognized command Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 07/15] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 08/15] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-03-02  4:17     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-02 19:09       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  2:00         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-04  3:04           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 09/15] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 10/15] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 11/15] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 12/15] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-02  4:21     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-02  4:36       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-02 19:15       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  2:03         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 13/15] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-03-02 18:36     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-03 15:27       ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 14/15] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 15/15] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-02 18:40     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-03 15:30       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  2:04         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-04  3:06           ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04 ` [PATCH v3 00/16] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 01/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:20     ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 02/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:22     ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 03/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 04/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:36     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 20:38       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:04         ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 05/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't enter bogus cmd_mode Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 06/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: display usage on unrecognized command Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:42     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 20:41       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 07/16] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 08/16] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:00     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:15       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:11         ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 09/16] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 10/16] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 11/16] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 12/16] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:12     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:22       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 13/16] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:43     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:27       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 14/16] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 15/16] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:53     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:30       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 16/16] midx.c: improve cache locality in midx_pack_order_cmp() Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:59     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:34       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:15         ` Jeff King
2021-03-12 15:16   ` [PATCH v3 00/16] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Derrick Stolee
2021-03-29 13:05   ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:30     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-29 21:37     ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:15       ` Jeff King
2021-03-30 13:37         ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 " Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 01/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 02/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 03/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 04/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 05/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't enter bogus cmd_mode Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 06/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: display usage on unrecognized command Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 07/16] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 08/16] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-04-01  0:32     ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 09/16] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 10/16] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 11/16] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 12/16] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 13/16] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 14/16] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-09-08  1:08     ` [PATCH] pack-write: skip *.rev work when not writing *.rev Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-08  1:35       ` Carlo Arenas
2021-09-08  2:42         ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-08 15:47           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08  2:50       ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-08  3:50         ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-08 10:18           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-08 16:32             ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 15/16] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 16/16] midx.c: improve cache locality in midx_pack_order_cmp() Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:45   ` [PATCH v4 00/16] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Jeff King
2021-03-30 15:49     ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 16:01       ` Jeff King

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